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1/4/10 10:50 PM
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alxholic - will smith would not let that happen.

awww hells naw!

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1/4/10 10:56 PM
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All the blue states would be FUCKED.
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All the blue states would be FUCKED.
1/4/10 10:58 PM
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Americans who have guns usually have more then one and most guys i bs to could outfit there neighborhood with enough firearms and ammunition. it would be crazy to think how many americans would actually become armed if anything like this was to ever happen
1/4/10 11:07 PM
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Muppetmower88 - Americans who have guns usually have more then one and most guys i bs to could outfit there neighborhood with enough firearms and ammunition. it would be crazy to think how many americans would actually become armed if anything like this was to ever happen

 There is more than 1 gun in america for every man woman and child.
1/4/10 11:10 PM
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pneuma - The US IS being conquered-- from within.


Yep, Red Commi's had the final word IMO.
1/4/10 11:11 PM
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Muppetmower88 - Americans who have guns usually have more then one and most guys i bs to could outfit there neighborhood with enough firearms and ammunition. it would be crazy to think how many americans would actually become armed if anything like this was to ever happen

 There is more than 1 gun in america for every man woman and child.


Right. so it would just be unimaginable to see a country try to invade something of that magnitude
1/4/10 11:12 PM
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when i was growing up my dad had about 10 guns or so and we lived in california. bring it the fuck on! nobody stands a chance in a non nuke invasion of the usa and if they nuke us, forget about it.
1/4/10 11:17 PM
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Look at the poor fucking Afghans who have jack shit and have been stomped on by everybody for a few thousand years. They are able to handle invaders pretty well.

The US has way more guns and the people here are even more warlike.
1/4/10 11:25 PM
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The movement leaders provide the organizational and managerial skills needed to transform mobilized individuals and communities into an effective force for armed political action. The result is a contest of resource mobilization and force deployment. No force level guarantees victory for either side. During previous conflicts, planners assumed that combatants required a 10 or 15 to 1 advantage over insurgents to win. However, no predetermined, fixed ratio of friendly troops to enemy combatants ensures success in COIN. The conditions of the operational environment and the approaches insurgents use vary too widely. A better force requirement gauge is troop density, the ratio of security forces (including the host nation's military and police forces as well as foreign counterinsurgents) to inhabitants. Most density recommendations fall within a range of 20 to 25 counterinsurgents for every 1000 residents in an AO. Twenty counterinsurgents per 1000 residents is often considered the minimum troop density required for effective COIN operations; however as with any fixed ratio, such calculations remain very dependent upon the situation.

--Gen Petraeus



That would mean 6,100,000 troops for the US, without taking into consideration the geography involved which would cause the required troops to increase by quite a bit.

This doesn't take into consideration the required money, the US estimates per troop range from 500,000 to 1.1 million annually

Assuming this is done on the cheap, if we cut that by 1/3 that is still 1 trillion a year minimum

Now you have to get into the sheer logistics, how the fuck do you move 6 million troops onto hostile territory?

China might have the troops but they would struggle to move those troops to Taiwan..much less the US
1/4/10 11:30 PM
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1/4/10 11:34 PM
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If the enemy could gain the assistance of native organized criminals such as mafia, biker gangs, street gangs, etc. they would stand a better chance of taking over. Personally I think the Crips, Mongols, Gambino's and the like would gladly sell out their coutry for a piece of the pie in the new world order.
1/4/10 11:36 PM
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25 counter insurgants would get rape-raped by 1,000 americans.
1/4/10 11:48 PM
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GladiatorGannon - Has a nation of 300 million ever been conquered by anyone? I'm not talking internal revolutions like China and the old Soviet Union (conquering yourself), but actually being conquered by a foreign army?


Brit's conquered and held down over 200 million in India, and they kept it conquered for over a century.


In other words, no, not even close.


How is it not even close...there were over 200 million Indians when they were conquered, and way fucking more when the Brit's took the Imperial boot off their neck.
1/4/10 11:55 PM
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The indians had elephants bro, fucking elephants!
1/4/10 11:55 PM
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effinggoof - 
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GladiatorGannon - Has a nation of 300 million ever been conquered by anyone? I'm not talking internal revolutions like China and the old Soviet Union (conquering yourself), but actually being conquered by a foreign army?


Brit's conquered and held down over 200 million in India, and they kept it conquered for over a century.


In other words, no, not even close.


How is it not even close...there were over 200 million Indians when they were conquered, and way fucking more when the Brit's took the Imperial boot off their neck.


Not even close as in "It's a HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE smaller!". A hundred million is quite a bit to be off.. 300 mil is a full 50% larger than 200 mil - that's big.
1/4/10 11:58 PM
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Subutai - The movement leaders provide the organizational and managerial skills needed to transform mobilized individuals and communities into an effective force for armed political action. The result is a contest of resource mobilization and force deployment. No force level guarantees victory for either side. During previous conflicts, planners assumed that combatants required a 10 or 15 to 1 advantage over insurgents to win. However, no predetermined, fixed ratio of friendly troops to enemy combatants ensures success in COIN. The conditions of the operational environment and the approaches insurgents use vary too widely. A better force requirement gauge is troop density, the ratio of security forces (including the host nation's military and police forces as well as foreign counterinsurgents) to inhabitants. Most density recommendations fall within a range of 20 to 25 counterinsurgents for every 1000 residents in an AO. Twenty counterinsurgents per 1000 residents is often considered the minimum troop density required for effective COIN operations; however as with any fixed ratio, such calculations remain very dependent upon the situation.

--Gen Petraeus



That would mean 6,100,000 troops for the US, without taking into consideration the geography involved which would cause the required troops to increase by quite a bit.

This doesn't take into consideration the required money, the US estimates per troop range from 500,000 to 1.1 million annually

Assuming this is done on the cheap, if we cut that by 1/3 that is still 1 trillion a year minimum

Now you have to get into the sheer logistics, how the fuck do you move 6 million troops onto hostile territory?

China might have the troops but they would struggle to move those troops to Taiwan..much less the US


Great post, but you've missed a *huge* factor that would no doubt win any war:

The dozens of surburban NRA/og'ers who would be running around in stained wife-beaters and jorts, single-handedly killing thousands of AK-armed invaders - with only the glocks under their bedroom pillows!
1/5/10 12:07 AM
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stevekt - If the enemy could gain the assistance of native organized criminals such as mafia, biker gangs, street gangs, etc. they would stand a better chance of taking over. Personally I think the Crips, Mongols, Gambino's and the like would gladly sell out their coutry for a piece of the pie in the new world order.

 Hell no, these types love captilism and would hate communism destroying their game.

They'd be on our side.
1/5/10 12:17 AM
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Subutai - The movement leaders provide the organizational and managerial skills needed to transform mobilized individuals and communities into an effective force for armed political action. The result is a contest of resource mobilization and force deployment. No force level guarantees victory for either side. During previous conflicts, planners assumed that combatants required a 10 or 15 to 1 advantage over insurgents to win. However, no predetermined, fixed ratio of friendly troops to enemy combatants ensures success in COIN. The conditions of the operational environment and the approaches insurgents use vary too widely. A better force requirement gauge is troop density, the ratio of security forces (including the host nation's military and police forces as well as foreign counterinsurgents) to inhabitants. Most density recommendations fall within a range of 20 to 25 counterinsurgents for every 1000 residents in an AO. Twenty counterinsurgents per 1000 residents is often considered the minimum troop density required for effective COIN operations; however as with any fixed ratio, such calculations remain very dependent upon the situation.

--Gen Petraeus



That would mean 6,100,000 troops for the US, without taking into consideration the geography involved which would cause the required troops to increase by quite a bit.

This doesn't take into consideration the required money, the US estimates per troop range from 500,000 to 1.1 million annually

Assuming this is done on the cheap, if we cut that by 1/3 that is still 1 trillion a year minimum

Now you have to get into the sheer logistics, how the fuck do you move 6 million troops onto hostile territory?

China might have the troops but they would struggle to move those troops to Taiwan..much less the US


Great post, but you've missed a *huge* factor that would no doubt win any war:

The dozens of surburban NRA/og'ers who would be running around in stained wife-beaters and jorts, single-handedly killing thousands of AK-armed invaders - with only the glocks under their bedroom pillows!
Well, you have to remember that most of the people in the military that are at war right now are kids with 8 weeks of boot camp....
 
1/5/10 12:18 AM
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Too bad our own government would be on the invader's side.
Why else are they trying to disarm us?
1/5/10 12:19 AM
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IDXtreme - Too bad our own government would be on the invader's side.
Why else are they trying to disarm us?

because we got pussy whipped enough into letting women make our laws.
1/5/10 12:21 AM
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Fugazi - This is a scenario that many have theorized about and it involves Cuba as the staging ground for Russian/Chinese/Muslim invasion.

Word has it that Cuba is stockpiled with weapons ready to arm would be invaders through Miami.

So many thing that don't make any sense about this.
1/5/10 12:41 AM
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Fugazi - This is a scenario that many have theorized about and it involves Cuba as the staging ground for Russian/Chinese/Muslim invasion.

Word has it that Cuba is stockpiled with weapons ready to arm would be invaders through Miami.


So watching "Invasion U.S.A." is considered theorizing now?

You realize we're safe as long as Chuck Norris is alive, right?
1/5/10 3:50 AM
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Watching WW2 in HD, German occupied Yukoslavia, one man shot at german soldiers. The next day, german soldiers grabbed 35 men from the town and executed them to send a message to anyone wanted to rebel. How many of you would rebel knowing that you are putting your family and neighbor's lives on the line?

If the occupiers cut off our electricity, we will be fucked.

I just dont think we have the capabilities to survive since we are so reliant on technology.
1/5/10 4:39 AM
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RobbieH - Well, you have to remember that most of the people in the military that are at war right now are kids with 8 weeks of boot camp....
 


No they aren't. They go to AIT after boot camp. And the majority of people in the military have substantially more training than that.

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