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1/27/10 1:39 AM
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 This is their previous fight. it was 13 years ago:
 
1/27/10 2:02 AM
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So how do you think they woud've changed :) apart from Haseman getting shorter?
1/27/10 2:06 AM
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 Wow Elvis was 25. Such a baby!
1/27/10 2:11 AM
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 Now his 13 years bigger :)
1/27/10 2:11 AM
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I remember when this show happened. It was big news back then.


1 Neil Bodycote Simon Sweet Submission (Guillotine Choke) 2 0:53

2 Mario Sperry Vernon White Decision (Unanimous) 3 5:00

3 Elvis Sinosic Matt Rocca TKO (Punches) 1 0:41

4 Chris Haseman Hiriwa Terangi Submission (Chin to the Eye) 1 0:55

5 Mario Sperry Neil Bodycote Submission (Punches) 1 0:47

6 Chris Haseman Elvis Sinosic Submission (Chin to the Eye) 1 2:47

7 Mario Sperry Chris Haseman Submission (Punches) 1 1:12
1/27/10 2:15 AM
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 Mario Sperry is a total hero.
1/27/10 2:16 AM
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Anyone else think forum member Gorgeous has literally FUCKED Elvis??
1/27/10 2:16 AM
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To answer your question, I think Haseman wouldn't win by chin in the eye this time. ;)
1/27/10 2:23 AM
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Mike Sanders - Anyone else think forum member Gorgeous has literally FUCKED Elvis??
I never talk about that sort of thing.
 
1/27/10 2:24 AM
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 Chin in the eye is definitely acknowledged as gouging right?
1/27/10 2:25 AM
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I remember this event. Never saw it but read up on it. Sorry to say I hadn't heard of Elvis then :( But I had heard of Haseman and of course Sperry was the BJJ guy who got beaten by Zinoviev by cut
1/27/10 2:25 AM
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And anyway his name's not FraZer. :D

1/27/10 2:27 AM
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I hadn't heard of Elvis back then either. I learnt about the King in 2001. He's been a buddy since Sept 2002 or there abouts :D He's awesome!!!
1/27/10 2:27 AM
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I remember when I ripped that video from VHS and put it on my old website. Glad to see it's still around.

We do an interview with Haseman on Tapout Radio this Thursday night, Friday lunchtime for Aussies.
1/27/10 2:28 AM
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*Hmm how many more ways can I drop his name?*
1/27/10 2:29 AM
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 Wow, what's the frequency? Not that I'll listen and can we get a copy for the forum for buddy o pal o mine? 
1/27/10 2:33 AM
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Gorgeous -  Chin in the eye is definitely acknowledged as gouging right?


It is now, but at the time it (briefly) fell into a gray area when it was seen more as pressing on someone's eye with part of your face rather than "gouging" it. "Eye gouging" later came to mean manipulating the opponent's eye in any way but only covered poking and literal gouging originally.

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Mike Sanders - Anyone else think forum member Gorgeous has literally FUCKED Elvis??
I never talk about that sort of thing.


Told you guys!!
1/27/10 2:36 AM
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Nah. He used to say exactly that because he knew it bugged me. But he's a thoroughly taken man these days so there's no need for mystery.
1/27/10 3:14 AM
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 The butter guard... which bit is that?
1/27/10 3:28 AM
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"Grey Area" is a bit of a stretch. Chin to the eye has always been gouging to those with any sense.
1/27/10 4:03 AM
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 ooo :D

Yes well that's what I thought. I don't know how they got it by other then perhaps that by any means old school he won ... 

I mean I woudn't have trained to counted such a maneuouveaur because I wouldn't expect gouging :)
1/27/10 4:18 AM
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xxxxxxxx - "Grey Area" is a bit of a stretch. Chin to the eye has always been gouging to those with any sense.


I'm not sure how you can argue that it didn't fall into a gray area at the time with the way most rules were written; people generally interpreted "eye gouging" to be poking or digging with fingers and many referees weren't prepared for the chin-to-eye press.

I do think that it's dirty and should be illegal, but many promotions in the past allowed techniques which were frowned upon by some at the time and would be widely condemned today. There was a debate about the chin to the eye just like there were debates about things like elbows to the spine.
1/27/10 4:28 AM
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1 Neil Bodycote Simon Sweet Submission (Guillotine Choke) 2 0:53


Best fight i have ever seen! some one should up that fight on here! seriously! i am pumped just reminiscing about that war!
1/27/10 4:28 AM
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It used to be legal, Igor Vovchanchyn lost a fight back in the day, due to submission by chin in the eye.

His opponent was Mikhail Illoukhine and it was at the Absolute Fighting Championship 1 tournament

While I'm not a fan of the technique, at the time it was as legal as an armbar or heel hook or even a headbutt, not sure why it's such a contentious issue tbh..
1/27/10 4:29 AM
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^ i know what your thinking four explanation points really? ...trust me!

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