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2/14/10 11:25 PM
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2/15/10 12:21 AM
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 Answer to question 1: Possibly
Answer to question 2: Definitely

Even if they don't find out right away, god forbid if years down the road you get involved in something (maybe even politics?) where a little digging reveals a lie on your bar application.  Not worth it.  You won't be dinged because you were suspended in high school.

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2/15/10 9:56 AM
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2/15/10 10:58 AM
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I disclosed mine. What is the harm? You think they give a shit what you did to get suspended in high school? If they catch you not disclosing something you don't pass. The risk of not disclosing is about 1000000000 times higher than just telling them about the lame shit that happened to you in high school (not you specifically).
2/15/10 1:18 PM
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2/15/10 10:47 PM
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 How is the committee going to get your law school application?

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2/16/10 12:02 AM
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2/16/10 1:26 AM
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 I was being serious - from what I recall when I was applying to the bar in NJ and NY, I was not required to obtain my law school application and I don't recall anything in any of the documentation that they were going to get it. 

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2/17/10 3:39 PM
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"The law school app says "were you ever CHARGED with a violating any law." I honestly thought I wasn't because of the above reasons."

That is tough. I only applied to schools that asked if I was CONVICTED of anything. I did disclose being charged on my bar app though--you must.
2/17/10 4:04 PM
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2/17/10 8:52 PM
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If you amend the bar app, the worst you'll get is writing a letter about what you learned from the experience. Screw around and you might get denied.
2/18/10 10:13 AM
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3/15/10 8:53 AM
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salyer36 - To be fair, I didn't disclose it on my law school app because of the nature of what happened and the attorney's advice. The attorney that helped me deal with the process told me I didn't have to disclose it on my law school app or bar app. He literally told me to forget it ever happened. He was a former prosecutor so I trusted him. I also didn't think I had to disclose it because some asshole literally just walked down to the court and lied, and then dropped the charges.

The law school app says "were you ever CHARGED with a violating any law." I honestly thought I wasn't because of the above reasons.

Should I amend it?

when I was in law school I interned for the state supreme court, which took direct appeals of bar fitness determinations, so i got to work on a couple of them and got to see entire records, memos, etc. that circulate among the bar fitness people.

the lessons i learned were: DISCLOSE EVERYTHING.

don't rely on attorney advice; if you have a question, go to your dean or the bar people. if it's no big deal, no one will hold it against you. if it is a big deal, they would have found out anyway.
3/23/10 3:18 PM
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 Always best to disclose everything.  In some ways, I think this is more of a test of your honesty than an actual background check. 

They don't care about trouble you got into as a kid, but lying about it as an adult is revealing of your ethical beliefs.
3/23/10 7:02 PM
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salyer36 - Thats crazy though, I got shot in while living in Newark and had to fill out a police report. Should I have to disclose that too?

Sorry if that sounds fecicious, but I am mad about this whole situation.


I suppose this is late now, but why would you disclose that if the application is asking about about your past wrong doing? These kinda details are basically what practicing law is about.
3/23/10 11:19 PM
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3/26/10 5:02 PM
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There is a specific legal meaning with respect to being charged. If someone files a complaint against you or calls the cops to complain about you, that is obviously not a "charge." That's a guy telling a story to the police. Unless you were formally charged with a crime in a document, as in, a formal written citation, an information or an indictment, which says State v. You, and alleges a specific crime that you have committed, then you were not charged with a crime. Period. There's a big difference between the government alleging that you committed a crime by filing formal charges against you and a person saying that you violated the law, but the government does not believe that person's version of events is sufficiently supported by enough evidence to charge you with an offense and obtain a conviction. It's not a technicality, and it's not splitting hairs. It's not a charge, plain and simple. It's not playing with fire to answer the question that is asked.

So, short answer, I absolutely do not think you need to disclose anything about the matter under that question.

It is, of course, always safer to disclose things as a general rule or if there is any doubt whatsoever, but that does not mean you have to go beyond what a question asks you out of unfounded fear about character and fitness issues. That question is crystal clear to me, and I would not disclose anything myself.

There may, however, be some kind of general, catch-all question that asks whether you have anything else to disclose that is somehow relevant with respect to your fitness. But, I don't think that applies here, either. Some guy said you did something; no one believed him. End of the matter. Move on. 

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