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5/4/10 5:23 PM
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I was curious as to how many fighters use CrossFit as a compliment to their regular training as a means of increasing endurance and functional strength? I go to the gym regularly, but this looks intense and was wondering if any pros, or even regular guys who do this, think it a) works to get you in crazy shape, b) works as a tool to make you a better fighter?
5/4/10 6:21 PM
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A friend of mine is a fighter and he recently ran his first marathon (yes, 26 miles) after training Crossfit. And he didn't train for a marathon. It's legit from what I'm told....a tough workout, too.
5/4/10 6:39 PM
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Am I the only one that is getting really sick of all the Xfit threads all over every forum on this site?
5/4/10 6:50 PM
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lol the s&c guys like wiggy don't like it, but i've been doing it for soemthing diferent and I gotta say I've never been so sore in my life. But even when I leave xfit and go straight to MMA or BJJ I feel better than I used to. I can see where it has its faults, but I like it.
5/4/10 6:52 PM
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If anything, I would say that a lot of the workouts that MMA fighters do technically adhere to the whole crossfit/functional training idea, even if they aren't trying to.
5/4/10 7:05 PM
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The main argument against CrossFit as a conditioning program for MMA athletes is this: that it only covers general physical fitness, and doesn't address periodization or "peaking."

So as a conditioning regiment for a legit 6-8 week training camp, it's not ideal. But as an overall conditioning program it's pretty good. However, I don't see why an athlete would want to spend that much time and energy doing stuff that's not sports-specific.

Why not just do sprint drills on the bag, suplex a dummy, etc? Things that not only get you in shape but also develop your technique?
5/4/10 7:50 PM
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King Baer - The main argument against CrossFit as a conditioning program for MMA athletes is this: that it only covers general physical fitness, and doesn't address periodization or "peaking."

So as a conditioning regiment for a legit 6-8 week training camp, it's not ideal. But as an overall conditioning program it's pretty good. However, I don't see why an athlete would want to spend that much time and energy doing stuff that's not sports-specific.

Why not just do sprint drills on the bag, suplex a dummy, etc? Things that not only get you in shape but also develop your technique?


What King Baer said.

The majority of the MMA fighters (both pro and amateur) that I have interacted or worked with have greatly improved with a strength and power focused weight training protocol. Some conditioning will be worked into their weight training, but overall the conditioning is best left in a sport specific realm and not focused on with a XFit style of weight training.

If you want to do a "finisher" at the end of a workout and make it a XFit style exercises (read: interval), then go for it, but don't have XFit replace your overall weight training program. Not dissing on XFit, but it focuses on a general overall fitness and, as stated by others, has no periodization or peaking phase for competition. A quote I have read before (and I am paraphrasing here) - "Crossfit makes women hot and men weak". Again, not trying to diss on XFit, but I personally don't see it being the BEST option out there for fighters.
5/4/10 7:59 PM
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Wiggy - Am I the only one that is getting really sick of all the Xfit threads all over every forum on this site?


Nope, you are not alone.
5/4/10 8:06 PM
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 it would be a poor S&C program for an active fighter.

Do Crossfit (GPP) if you want to get into decent shape.  when you're ready to take it to the next level and focus your training on specific goals (very important to being a good fighter) there are much better methods.
5/4/10 8:08 PM
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 I think Gabe uses it, but not as his primary training. More to supplement. (I think)
5/4/10 8:11 PM
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it's interesting
5/4/10 9:05 PM
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you can't be a "true" Crossfit nazi and specialize your fitness for a fight because the whole premise of Crossfit is being completely non-specific or random. IE to be just as good at long distance, slow-paced aerobic exercises as you are at high power, short-burst anaerobic exercises.

Fighting itself is a specialized form of fitness. 5-25 min mostly anaerobic activity. therefore if you follow crossfit to the t then you lose performance for the sport by doing long distance type things.

that being said, you can take many of the workouts and concepts and form them to fit the goals of fight fitness. many of the workouts are brutally intense and can mimic or even surpass the intensity of a fight.

This is what I do. I've been certified for 3 years, but do not follow the complete method. I direct my training to peak at the 15-25 minute range mixing in shorter burst power stuff as well.
5/4/10 9:08 PM
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I know a few fighters who use Parisi... Alan Belcher, Ricardo Alemeda and a few other UFC fighters are doing it
5/4/10 9:10 PM
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BJ Penn was doing it, over 10 years ago. He also stopped doing it, about 10 years ago.

Crossfit is ideal for the weekend warrior, a person with an otherwise sedentary lifestyle, or someone who's just looking to stay busy and in shape, or doesn't compete in any sports beyond a purely recreational level.


CF takes a randomized training approach, with no rhyme or reason, like a PE class, hence it is not ideal/optimal for someone aiming to improve their performance to a high level in a specific sport or with specific training goals in mind.
5/4/10 9:23 PM
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it seems to make chicks look like dudes and dudes look like slightly more pussy A-type versions of themselves.
5/4/10 9:27 PM
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duckrabbit - it seems to make chicks look like dudes and dudes look like slightly more pussy A-type versions of themselves.


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5/4/10 9:56 PM
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 I did it for a fight, but the trainer tweaked it to have a strength phase and a plyo phase towards the end. I got good muscular endurance out of it and some good strength gains from the extra lifts but it can wear you down if you're doing a couple of hours of something else every day as well.
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jesus christ damn quadruple post!
5/4/10 10:22 PM
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"BJ Penn was doing it, over 10 years ago. He also stopped doing it, about 10 years ago."

"I don't see why an athlete would want to spend that much time and energy doing stuff that's not sports-specific."

"overall the conditioning is best left in a sport specific realm and not focused on with a XFit style of weight training."

Perfectly stated. I just shake my head when I hear the old "BJ Penn does CF" stuff.
5/4/10 11:21 PM
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"Fighting itself is a specialized form of fitness. 5-25 min mostly anaerobic activity. therefore if you follow crossfit to the t then you lose performance for the sport by doing long distance type things."

Please elaborate. It seems that road work is an essential part of the conditioning routines of many top mma fighters, boxers, wrestlers and judo players. Fedor goes for a distance run almost daily and Couture and Foreman used distance running to help obtain sufficient conditioning to earn titles in their 40s.
5/4/10 11:42 PM
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Sprout: Nice endorsement, I've been on the fence but I just might start it up now.
5/4/10 11:44 PM
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 I train a Valley Crossfit 3-4 days a week and feel like it has helped me immensely. Im fortunate that the head coach is a former martial artist and understands what is needed for my sport. I dont take it as the end all of strength and condioning, but it seems to work for me.
5/4/10 11:59 PM
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Koga - "Fighting itself is a specialized form of fitness. 5-25 min mostly anaerobic activity. therefore if you follow crossfit to the t then you lose performance for the sport by doing long distance type things."

Please elaborate. It seems that road work is an essential part of the conditioning routines of many top mma fighters, boxers, wrestlers and judo players. Fedor goes for a distance run almost daily and Couture and Foreman used distance running to help obtain sufficient conditioning to earn titles in their 40s.


To each their own and you can't dismiss what somebody like Fedor does, but I would like to know how much of his training is distance running and where your source is for him going for distance runs almost daily. A lot of the videos I see of him training shows a lot of sport specific/sambo training and then explosive style training (sledge hammer work, farmer carries, stone carries, KBs, etc). And with Couture and other older fighters, their bodies cannot take the same training and wear and tear that was once placed upon it during their youth. You have to adapt and alter training according to how your body responds, so they may utilize distance running because they felt it was less wearing on their bodies. Do I agree with that? Not necessarily, but that is my theory behind it, in addition to that it is just old school mentality to do distance runs to build endurance.

The Marvelous One - John Hackleman has been running a crossfit school for almost 12 years I think...Not sure how many of the Pit fighters are using it but just throwing it out there


Not saying he doesn't advocate the crossfit mentality, but besides chuck, how many other fighters have come out of his camp? That is an honest question because I really don't know the answer. And on top of that, Crossfit is a great marketing tool, draws in a lot of clients and makes a lot of money. Just because somebody utilizes a tool doesn't mean they support it 100%. Examples are with Coutures band workout deal - do you honestly think he attributes that type of machine to his success in MMA? Another example (and kind of stretching it) is Joe Montana and those stupid sketcher shoes.

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