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5/13/10 11:17 AM
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Is Wrestling Taking the Martial Arts out of Mixed Martial Arts?

Is American wrestling stalling the progress of Mixed Martial Arts? Some fans think so, and after some recent matches in particular, arguments are rife that wrestlers are killing the aesthetics of the sport.

Every MMA fan, commentator and reporter has found themselves in a discussion as to who are the best fighters to watch, which is different from a discussion about who are the best fighters period. Being one of the best fighters to watch does not necessarily equate to being one of the best fighters in terms of winning accomplishments.

Take Melvin Manhoef for example. Few would argue that Melvin is one of the best fighters to watch because he always brings the proverbial rage to the ring. His most attractive asset is his raw, explosive, unhindered power with little care for defense — which, unfortunately, is often his undoing. Melvin will never be classified as one of the best MMA fighters in the world, but he will always be listed as one of the best to watch.

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5/13/10 11:21 AM
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Wrestling IS a martial art.
5/13/10 11:22 AM
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didn't we see this in 1993: is bjj taking the martial arts out of mma?
5/13/10 11:25 AM
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Yes

Wrestling is ruining MMA

Better said rules and the cage are ruining MMA. MMA (ot better said UFC) is becaming a spin off of wrestling.


5/13/10 11:28 AM
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It is amazing to me how people can criticize or complain about wrestling in MMA and tactics used by wrestlers. What I see is how truly effective wrestling is against any martial art dicipline. The fact that so many other fighters / martial artists have so much trouble preventing takedowns, escaping from bottom, etc.. shows how truly dominant wrestling is against any form of martial arts.

You don't see people crying about pulling guard. Instead of trying to work hard and develope a skill set to prevent a takedown, or work on takedowns themselves, you have complaining that people are being taken down and controlled.

Wrestlers are subjected to BJJ, boxing, judo, karate skills all the time and don't complain about their tactics. An article like this only proves again that wrestling is the most distinct individual advanatage in any martial art or fighting form.

5/13/10 11:29 AM
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5/13/10 11:30 AM
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Kakkarotto_san - Wrestling IS a martial art.


5/13/10 11:32 AM
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shows how truly dominant wrestling is against any form of martial arts.


rules; the rules are big part of that dominance
5/13/10 11:33 AM
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The butthurt is strong.
5/13/10 11:34 AM
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Wrestling was probably the first MA.
5/13/10 11:35 AM
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Wrestling is fine, it's the rules that are taking "martial arts out of MMA". BJJ players should be allowed to cook opponents for long(er) time and stuffed takedowns should lead to eating knees and/or soccer kicks, for starters.
5/13/10 11:35 AM
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Like others have said, wrestling is a martial art AND a sport.

Also, it just means the strikers and the BJJers will just have to train and adapt their style to counter the evolved wrestling game. It's not going to "WHOAMG KILL MMA" or anything ridiculous like that.
5/13/10 11:37 AM
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blue63 - Wrestling IS a martial art.

It's a sport AND a martial art, much like Judo or Boxing.  It just happens that with high level Wrestling it is much easier to impose your will on opponents.
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I also think that wrestling instills a dedication and willpower that most other arts do not have or demand to get better.

To compete in college level ( especially the elite colleges) the dedication and self discipline needed to keep up with the competition is not seen in most other martial arts or even other sports (except maybe Muay Thai and boxing).
5/13/10 11:44 AM
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 no more than BJJ used to take striking away
5/13/10 11:45 AM
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I like what you've said but I do think wrestling is a martial art.. martial art is a combat / self defense art form. Wrestling is both. Is the oldest sport known to man, but they made a martial art into a sport.

Any form of close quarters / hand to hand combat is truly a martial art
5/13/10 11:53 AM
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Kakkarotto_san - Wrestling IS a martial art.

 
5/13/10 11:55 AM
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Wrestling IS a martial art. - True!

The fact that so many other fighters / martial artists have so much trouble preventing takedowns, escaping from bottom, etc.. shows how truly dominant wrestling is against any form of martial arts. - True!

it's the rules... BJJ players should be allowed to cook opponents for long(er) time and stuffed takedowns should lead to eating knees and/or soccer kicks, for starters. - Also TRUE!

All those things are true and not mutually exclusive. I also think the cage, which wrestler can use both to help with takedowns and pin people against (standing and on the ground) makes a HUGE difference. In a ring wrestling, though still highly effective, does not seem to be as dominant.
5/13/10 12:04 PM
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 wrestling slows it down, but it is essential to becoming part of your game if you want to be an MMA fighter.

I used to hate wrestling but don't mind it as much anymore, but its certainly boring as shit to watch.
5/13/10 12:06 PM
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Kids should forget wrestling and learn other arts first.  You can always learn wrestling after you turn pro.  Look at GSP. 
5/13/10 12:09 PM
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Yes, just look at how Rashed Evans dominated Machida.
5/13/10 12:10 PM
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"Kids should forget wrestling and learn other arts first. You can always learn wrestling after you turn pro. Look at GSP. "

Probably one of the dumbest things I've ever read...

nice work
5/13/10 12:12 PM
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Kakkarotto_san - Wrestling IS a martial art.

5/13/10 12:19 PM
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blue63 - Wrestling IS a martial art.


Exactly. Just because you don't bow before a match, doesn't exclude it from being a martial art.

If you want to solve the stalling issue, don't stand 'em up so they can takedown and stall again. Take away points, when the fighter isn't trying to advance position.
5/13/10 12:27 PM
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I don't see a problem with MMA rules. I see a bunch of supposed mixed martial artists that aren't well-rounded enough.
5/13/10 12:34 PM
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Of course wrestling is a martial art, just like thai boxing, boxing, bjj, etc. To think it is not a martial art (although I do agree its not very martial) is silly. Its an essential component to being a well rounded fighter.

HOWEVER, the rules are nonsense. A wrestler has a cage which helps IMMENSELY in taking someone down. They also have far fewer stand ups, and in a 5 minute fight, to take someone down, LNP for 2 minutes, stand up, repeat process, end of round. Its pretty simple, LNP to a decision is very easy with 5 minute rounds.

Judges also still assume top position = winning. Guy on bottom throws up 5 submissions, gets insanely close each time, avoids all damage from the bottom, and lands elbows/strikes of his own and in this scenario the GUY ON TOP won the round by some miracle. Its the judges, rules, and the place the fight takes place in that give wrestling a bigger boost than it should where now wrestling essentially wins fights, where as before it was integral to winning a fight.
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