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5/21/10 12:04 AM
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hugomma
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I posted this on the UG, but I figured some of you here would know more. I apologize in advance if this is not Sambo-related. These guys seem to be doing either San Da in karate gi's or Combat Sambo with long pants & no ground work. Whatever they're doing, there are some damn good fighters on this video. It'd be interesting to see some of them in MMA if they have ground skills.
5/21/10 9:20 AM
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Just like Fedor. thanks.
5/21/10 10:30 PM
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that's like the best human version of rock-em-sock-em robots EVER!
5/24/10 11:46 AM
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That was amazing.
5/24/10 4:17 PM
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judoblackbelt & Lord Kancho,

Glad you guys liked it.

I asked Scott Sonnon about the video, & according to him it was ROSS Sport Fighting with ties to Combat Sambo.

If anyone knows/sees Sambo Steve or dynamo around, I'd like to get their take on it.

Thanks & ttt.
5/28/10 9:26 PM
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The Combat Sambo fights I saw Fedor do he wore MMA style gloves with the palms/fingers exposed.
9/6/10 8:14 PM
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NICE! Good highlight film action!
9/9/10 12:35 PM
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I have seen that before. Just looks like some good fights. Best bet is to get someone to translate the opening credits (which I will do). Ross, combat sambo, who cares. Rules wise, it looks like san da to me. But who knows what the guys train, we are just watching a rule set. Looks like combat sambo (sport version) without the groundwork.
9/9/10 6:47 PM
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Here is the translation:

Inernational "Army hand to hand Combat" Tournament
General of police V.V. Vorobiev Memorial Tournament
January 26-27, 2007
9/11/10 1:51 AM
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SamboSteve - Here is the translation:

Inernational "Army hand to hand Combat" Tournament
General of police V.V. Vorobiev Memorial Tournament
January 26-27, 2007





Thanks for posting & translating Steve, much appreciated.

When I saw it, it looked really interesting & I wanted to find out more.

I didn't know that combat Sambo athletes took part in a rule set that didn't involve some sort of ground work.
1/28/11 10:24 PM
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This is an old thread, but I found some info on Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_hand-to-hand_fight

"Army hand-to-hand fight"
(Russian: ????????? ?????????? ???) — the Russian universal system of training to the protection and attack receptions, united many functional elements from an arsenal of world kinds of the single combats, tested in real fighting activity. The modern and quickly developing kind of the fighting single combats which have received popularity for full contact duels at the minimum traumas of sportsmen [1].

History

As military-applied sport it is considered to be date of birth of Army hand-to-hand fight 1979 when in the city of Kaunas (the settlement Gajzhjunaj, military unit ? 42235) on sports base of 7th division of guards of Airborne troops has taken place the first championship of Airborne troops. Since then, the championships of Airborne troops on army hand-to-hand fight began to be spent annually. Created by experts and enthusiasts of physical preparation and sports of the Soviet army, Army hand-to-hand fight has been successfully introduced in the program of training and there was the basic component of forms of physical preparation[2].

It is necessary to note that carrying out of the first championship on Army hand-to-hand fight became possible thanks to long-term practice preceding it and experiments with various kinds of single combats. Among an invocatory contingent rated sportsmen and prize-winners of competitions on boxing, struggle, [judo] and others were carefully selected. Methodical work of fighters and commanders, also has impulsed to origin of system which is nowadays widely known under the name "Army hand-to-hand fight". At that point in time (the beginning of 1970th years) actual training of regular soldiers to hand-to-hand fight was called «as the Program of preparation of instructors in sports and special receptions of a landing» [3].

Rules of carrying out of duels and feature

Distinctive part of sports Army hand-to-hand fight before other full contact single combats is possibility to finish the opponent lying on a carpet as hands, and feet from a standing position. Simultaneously with it, blows of the opponent lying on a carpet «Stop» ", as some kicks on a head though and protected by a special helmet, can lead to heavy damages should interrupt immediately the judge a command". Blows of the opponent by a foot in a head is a knock-down and to the fighter who has passed such blow, «the account» [4].


 
1/28/11 10:26 PM
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 (CONT)

the General rules

  • Fights of fighters pass on a square carpet in the size a minimum 14×14 meters. Fight occurs in a square in the size 8×8 m or 10×10 m. the External zone of a carpet in width not less than 3 meters serves for safety of sportsmen. At an exit of the fighter for limits of a carpet fight stops a command "« Stop »" and sportsmen come back at the command of the judge "« Fighters to the middle »" in the center (middle) of a carpet. Thus, if performance of reception (throw) has begun in carpet territory (including in a safety zone), and its termination has occurred outside of a square such reception is estimated, and fight stops by the general rules.
  • Fighters break on age (concerning fighters till 18 years and division into age categories depends on Position about competitions) and weight categories beginning from weight to 60 kg and to weight over 90 kg with step of 5 kg. Sometimes, under the preliminary coordination, can be only two weight categories — to 75 kg and over 75 kg (only at adults on local tournaments).
  • Fighters are divided into the fighter with a red and dark blue belt, and in certain cases — the fighter in black or white a kimono. The fighter whose the surname is specified the first in the summary table — dresses a red belt (black kimono).
  • the Fighter needs the second which is responsible for ammunition of the sportsman during a duel ("to tie up a helmet, to fix overlays, a protector, to tie up a belt kimono and another)" as fighter not in condition independently to solve these problems in taken away on the amendment of ammunition time. During a duel the second settles down on a chair behind a place of the fighter. Thus during a duel it is forbidden to second to give to the fighter any commands or councils. For conversations with the second to the fighter the remark can be made, and at repeated infringement — the prevention.
  • At competitions the following equipment is used: a kimono, foots with protection of a heel and lifting of foot, an overlay on a shin, a bowl on a groin, a protective waistcoat (protector), gloves, knee protection, forearm and elbow protection, a helmet with a metal lattice ". The protective regimentals (except gloves and a helmet) put on under a kimono.
  • Fight consists of one round and lasts: at teenagers, young men and juniors — 2 minutes of pure time, at men (and all final fights) — 3 minutes of pure time. At girls, girls and women duration of duels can decrease at pretournament meeting of representatives of commands.
  • such technical actions, as Are estimated: blows by hands, blows by feet, throws and painful receptions. Blows and struggle in "orchestra" it is not estimated, but it is privately considered at equality of points (as activity in Sambo-wrestling).
  • forbidden tricks concern: drawing of blows by fingers in eyes; carrying out of suffocating captures and painful receptions on a neck, a backbone, a brush, foot; jumps feet and stamping blows on the lying contender; blows in a groin, a neck, on joints of feet and hands, a nape and a backbone; painful receptions in a rack; capture for a helmet or a helmet lattice.
  • the Victory is awarded:
  • on points "(the decision of judges)";
  • behind a clear advantage "(when the opponent ceases to resist to attack or during attack has turned to the opponent a back)";
  • in connection with refusal of the opponent to continue a duel "(reception of the trauma which have been not connected with infringement corrected the opponent, weariness and so forth)";
  • absence of the opponent on a duel;
  • delivery of the opponent as a result of carrying out of painful reception;
  • at two knock-downs of one fighter during one duel "(to avoid an unjustified traumatism);"
  • at disqualification of the opponent "(three preventions, unsportsmanlike behavior, in exceptional cases — drawing to the opponent of foul blows after which that can't continue a duel [5])".
1/28/11 10:39 PM
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 More "Army Hand to Hand fight".
1/28/11 10:40 PM
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 And some more...
1/28/11 10:56 PM
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http://tv.sportedu.ru/video/mezhdunarodnyi-turnir-po-russkomu-rukopashnomu-boyu-pamyati-general-maiora-militsii-vvvorobeva

^Another...but FWAT warning applies(~30 minutes long).
1/31/11 5:46 PM
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How come some of those guys are fighting in full Judo gis? Is this a different format of Combat Sambo?
2/2/11 1:05 PM
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 A friend pointed out to me that in the first video, they have done some manipulation, increasing the speed etc to make the fighters appear faster and quicker throws.
2/4/11 1:20 AM
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Bull_in_chinashop -  A friend pointed out to me that in the first video, they have done some manipulation, increasing the speed etc to make the fighters appear faster and quicker throws.



Well that's annoying. Too bad they messed with the speed, the techniques were impressive in their own right.
2/5/11 10:11 AM
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yeeeeees!

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