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6/2/10 11:58 AM
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 A King For Israel
 
Right now we are hearing a lot about what Israel needs. Better PR, better military planning, more concern for human rights, etc. You won't hear many people suggesting that what Israel really needs is a king. But that is precisely what Dr. Michael Wyschogrod suggested in a recent article in First Things (link - no longer available for free online).

Dr. Wyschogrod will be speaking on this topic on Thursday with an introduction by R. Meir Soloveichik (link). I bumped into R. Soloveichik last week and asked him what the deal is with this article, which seems incomprehensible to me. He said that he thinks it's brilliant but I need to dig below the surface. Here is what I found after digging, which could be more my own intepretation than Dr. Wyschogrod's idea.

Dr. Wyschogrod begins by pointing out the crisis in Israel due to its lack of a constitution. His solution is the appointment of a Regent for the messianic king, a figurehead with no authority (like the President) to represent the king in what will be a constitutional monarchy. In this way, Israel will define itself as a Jewish country and make a point that God is its king, with the messianic king His representative.

The way I understand it, this suggestion makes a unique case for the role of a democratic government in the State of Israel. As discussed in this post (link), R. Avraham Kook saw the democratically elected government as functioning in the role of a monarchy while R. Shlomo Goren saw it as self-rule in lieu of a monarchy. Dr. Wyschogrod sees it as serving below a monarchy, remaining within the confines of monarchal and Divine (which he equates) fiat. Instead of a government serving as a monarchy or instead of it, he sees it serving together with the king. They are partners in governing, with the king defining the basic parameters of Divine rule and the government involving itself with the details. God's rule, as embodied by the king, serves as the nation's constitution.

Dr. Wyschogrod does not state what role he sees a democratically elected government playing once a king arrives in Israel to take his throne. Presumably, the representatives will serve as the governing body while the king is the figurehead with veto power. This is an interesting and innovative suggestion. I don't know that it has the biblical and talmudic backing that other approaches do but perhaps, with further work, that can be established.

I don't know whether I will be able to attend Dr. Wyschogrod's lecture but I look forward to hearing what else he has to say on the subject.
 
http://www.amazon.com/Body-Faith-God-People-Israel/dp/1568219105
6/2/10 1:13 PM
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what is this, the Israel/Judaism ground now?
6/2/10 2:11 PM
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Now Israel can be just like the UK.

Although one of the only reasons we even maintain a monarchy to this day is because they have been around for so long anyway. The institution of monarchy represents continuity and links us with our ancient past.

Who would become the newly elected monarch and royal family in Israel?
6/2/10 3:13 PM
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TheHawker - what is this, the Israel/Judaism ground now?

 now your catching on
6/2/10 8:11 PM
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there is no moshiach and you are it.

I don't need a king.
6/3/10 5:46 PM
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 a king would make no difference, in my opinion, the problems they are facing, is what has to be addressed and resolved or war with the Muslims is inevitable.
6/3/10 11:39 PM
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um- what would you call the last 60 years?
6/4/10 9:35 PM
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Robert Wynne
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please explain
6/5/10 10:31 AM
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you finished with 'or war is ineviable'. I'd say war is continous and ongoing since 1947 with periods of peace.
6/8/10 8:29 AM
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 ok, i'd call that skirmishes..like what we have in chicago everyday.......war to me is when the other non-region countries end up involved..ala..WW3....which i hope this is not heading to.
6/9/10 4:28 PM
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Didn't seem to work for them in the OT.
6/10/10 6:21 AM
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I didn't realise that Chicago had missiles sent into it on a regular basis, or suicide bombers?
6/10/10 8:22 AM
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LoveToChoke - I didn't realise that Chicago had missiles sent into it on a regular basis, or suicide bombers?

lol.. you obviuosly haven't been to the right neighborhoods.....the only reason why missiles are not being used is because they know that would bring in the military.

you will get killed for being white, in some neighborhoods there.

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