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6/9/10 11:28 AM
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Excuse the rant but I need to just let loose for a second.

1. If I had a clearance, my resume would say I have a clearance.

2. If I tell you I have been unemployed for 6 months, that means, UNEMPLOYED. No income. I have not been training, going to school or doing anything except busting my ass trying to find a job. You can't sugar coat this for some prospective employer.

3. Where on my resume does it list Linux/Unix/programming experience? It doesn't. Do you know why? Becasue I don't have any, and haven't needed any. So why are you asking me.

I understand these guys in a lot of cases just farm resume's but take a little time and actually FUCKING read. It will save you time.
6/9/10 12:41 PM
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Most recruiters I've talked to have wanted me to lie or stretch the truth as far as possible so they could place me somewhere and they could get their money.
6/9/10 5:27 PM
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 Dude I felt that way about Microsoft corp too. I flew out there for the Visual Studio team, spent 8 hours writing linked list code on a whiteboard just to get back "not enough system level coding experience" - fuck it says that on my resume and I said it on the phone. Save me a flight out there and 8 hours of interview time. Yeah it was a fun trip but frustrating.

BTW - I have never had to write a linked list data structure since college. That stuff is all about geek hazing TBH.
6/10/10 10:23 AM
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I was actually on the phone last night with a recruiter that I keep in contact with. He is the only one I've found who is a decent human being. Won't lie about the position, the salary, won't expect you to lie, won't send you things that don't apply to you. Not surprisingly he is successful at his job.

Most of just used car salesmen.
6/13/10 1:52 PM
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As a hiring manager and long time job seeker I think you have a limited perspective:

1. People who don't want gov work will purposely neglect their clearance, but still might be talked into going back. Also people forget inactive ones all the time.

2. You'd be amazed how many people have all kinds of cool projects, open source work, programming contests, training etc. in their unemployed periods but don't put it on the resume.

3. Today's employers don't seem to like jack of all trade types, they look for a C++/Unix developer, a DBA, etc. As such people make targeted resumes purposely leaving out skills, even though they are qualified for other work.

I could come up with much better (and real) complaints against recruiters.
6/13/10 1:54 PM
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As a software engineering manager who hires, and long time job seeker I think you have a limited perspective:

1. People who don't want gov work will purposely neglect their clearance, but still might be talked into going back. Also people forget inactive ones all the time.

2. You'd be amazed how many people have all kinds of cool projects, open source work, programming contests, training etc. in their unemployed periods but don't put it on the resume.

3. Today's employers don't seem to like jack of all trade types, they look for a C++/Unix developer, a DBA, etc. As such people make targeted resumes purposely leaving out skills, even though they are qualified for other work.

I could come up with much better (and real) complaints against recruiters.

6/14/10 9:04 AM
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OneScoup - As a hiring manager and long time job seeker I think you have a limited perspective:

1. People who don't want gov work will purposely neglect their clearance, but still might be talked into going back. Also people forget inactive ones all the time.

2. You'd be amazed how many people have all kinds of cool projects, open source work, programming contests, training etc. in their unemployed periods but don't put it on the resume.

3. Today's employers don't seem to like jack of all trade types, they look for a C++/Unix developer, a DBA, etc. As such people make targeted resumes purposely leaving out skills, even though they are qualified for other work.

I could come up with much better (and real) complaints against recruiters.


1. I understand this, but if my resume is ALL private sector there is no "flag" so to speak that I have a clearance.

2. While that may be true in some cases, most people stick to what they know. Me, I have never been interested in programming, so I have never even attempted it.

3. Well in that case, I guess I'll be unemployed a long time....I am a "jack of all trades". I got into IT well before the specialization movement (trend). It sucks in some respects but in others it is awesome to know a little about a lot.
6/14/10 11:28 PM
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OneScoup - As a software engineering manager who hires, and long time job seeker I think you have a limited perspective:

1. People who don't want gov work will purposely neglect their clearance, but still might be talked into going back. Also people forget inactive ones all the time.

2. You'd be amazed how many people have all kinds of cool projects, open source work, programming contests, training etc. in their unemployed periods but don't put it on the resume.

3. Today's employers don't seem to like jack of all trade types, they look for a C++/Unix developer, a DBA, etc. As such people make targeted resumes purposely leaving out skills, even though they are qualified for other work.

I could come up with much better (and real) complaints against recruiters.



As somebody who hires syadmins, I agree with the gist of this. Though, I think you can find people who hire jack of all trades. I think jack of all trade is kind of undervalued and the super specialist is a little overvalued because (IMO) technology changes too fast for super specialist to be relevant forever.


I especially agree with onescoup's second point - if you're not spending unemployed time learning a lot of stuff, it's probably a reason why you're unemployed.
Nobody job hunts 12 hours a day - there's only so many jobs that come up and so many applications you can fill a day.







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