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6/13/10 12:32 AM
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banjo
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Many of the songs of "Thriller" by Michael Jackson, and many of the songs by artists today are bought from professional song writers.

Often, the writers receive no credit on the album.

Does anyone have any idea how much the writers get paid for a hit?

For example - Human Nature was not written by MJ. Did the writer get paid a flat fee, or a percentage of royalties, or an amount dependent upon how successful the song is?
6/16/10 6:36 PM
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Some times a composition is bought outright, but on albums with lots or writers, often it works on a point share system.

If an album is worth nine points, a producer may get one or two, each band member gets one, the singer gets two, songwriter(s) share a couple, etc and profits are given out based on those percentages.

It blows for the writers because often a singer will come in to the studio and change one lyric to get a part of the composition point(s), while the writers can't do much about it because you want someone like beyonce singing your tune when even 1/8 point brings in a big cheque every 3 months.
6/19/10 10:50 AM
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Good info, thanks!
6/21/10 5:54 PM
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I recorded with a chick this weekend that had all the songs written for her b4 we hit the studio. We recorded all of them, they chose ten and the points were divided up between the people in the studio. There was another separate contract between her management and the writers and apparently it always works like this when the writing isn't happened during recording. So i guess i was wrong ;)
6/29/10 2:03 AM
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Also be aware that royalties are paid via performance rights contracts administered by your artist representation agency (ASCAP, BMI, SESAC) & outside of any up front money or special contractual wheeling & dealing has basically nothing to do with album sales.

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