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6/15/10 12:40 AM
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I may have to get one soon for some government work (programming).

Has anyone ever tried for one of these? Is it true they hook you up to a polygraph?

I don't have anything to hide, but those things make me nervous just thinking about it.
6/15/10 1:09 PM
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Really depends on what level. A polygraph is probably in your future though.

No matter how much whatever they're putting you threw sucks, it's well worth it. Security clearances are worth their weight in gold. Better then any cert or degree.
6/15/10 1:13 PM
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if its just a secret clearance, they just do a thorough background check. i have never heard of anyone getting a polygraph for a Top Secret.
6/15/10 8:09 PM
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As mentioned, its worth it. Most of the high $$ gubment jobs require clearance and many require not a lot else. :D
6/15/10 10:45 PM
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you don't need a polygraph for top secret.

You do need it for some SCI.<br />

everybody who said clearance = job security and job opportunities is correct.
6/16/10 4:01 AM
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 shit when i went Position of Public Trust 6c clearance for DoED, the interviewer grilled the shit outta me, cause apparently they wanted the physical locations of where i lived in college...that was a pain in the ass...afaik Secret goes back 7 yrs, TS goes back 10 years, and as one poster mentioned usually Polygraph is only required for SCI.
6/16/10 12:29 PM
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 Helpful Hint

Put this on your resume

"Clearable for Secret / Top Secret / SCI"

If a company likes you enough, they'll sponsor you.


6/17/10 10:58 PM
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Thanx for hint Road Warior Fin....
6/20/10 12:28 AM
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I don't think that means much Fin, or at least<br />no more than "United States Citizen", which you should<br />put on there anyway.

A company looking to have cleared person eventually will clear anybody they hire.

A company who needs a cleared person now won't hire you if you're not cleared, whether you want it or not.

Plus, most generic people don't know what makes you clearable for clearances (besides US citizen) so it doesn't mean anything. At worst, it makes the person seem like somebody who acts like they know more than they do.
6/20/10 12:30 AM
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^^ continuing, I've seen people who thought<br />they were clearable who were not clearable.

Even though their project managers thought they'd clear.

I've also seen people give up after failing X number< of polygraphs.

Also, Secret, TS, and SCI have different criteria.

That's what I think "clearable" means nothing.
You don't really know even if you're an expert and<br />you almost certainly don't know if you have never had a clearance.
6/20/10 1:58 PM
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 Ah, I think you may be right that people need to at least review and understand the system.  It is more or less something to get caught in the keyword searches.
6/23/10 9:00 AM
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asdf and RabbiVJ are correct.

From the sounds of it you're looking at a Secret clearance, google for more info but that's basically a thorough background check. You'll usually get your interim clearance very quickly (it really just makes sure you're a citizen who's not wanted by the authorities), and then you'll usually be allowed to work with your interim clearance while they continue to work towards your full clearance. As I understand it, the full clearance usually takes 2-10 months to complete.

There's no polygraph for a secret clearance, or at least I've never heard of one. But they will want to know your complete history for the past 7 years, including addresses and contact information for people who can verify you lived there.

When you move up to a TS clearance, they start going back further than that (10 years).

When you get up to the TS SCI and full scope poly is when they start using polygraphs. But again it sounds like you're talking about just a secret clearance.

A secret clearance isn't difficult to get, though I've heard of people being denied for various reasons. Remember, be honest, they aren't looking for you to be a saint but they're looking for you to be honest. So if you lie and they catch you, it's probably over right there. But if you're honest about something that happened, they're much more tolerant of that then catching you in a lie.

I live in the DC area, and between friends working with the government and government contractors I know a lot of people with clearances. I don't know how it is in the rest of the country, but a clearance here is worth its weight in gold. I have friends with no college degrees but they have their clearance and work history/experience, and they're making well into the 6 figures.

Quick story, I went to a job fair one time with a friend of mine, he's got his clearance (TS SCI/full scope poly), when we'd go up to potential employers and give them our resumes, employers would look at mine and start talking to me with those interview-like questions that recruiters ask. When my buddy would go up to them, he'd hand them his resume, and they'd start asking him questions while they read down his resume. You would see a point where their eyes would reach where his clearance is mentioned, the recruiter would then put the resume to the side and simply ask him "When can you start". I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it, but people with his background, education, and experience are extremely rare, add to it he already has a high clearance level and employers are all over him b/c people like him are in short supply.

Don't sweat going for your secret, but remember to be honest. Google for more info b/c I'm sure there's a ton of info on it out there
6/23/10 4:15 PM
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 also one additional note...some of the smaller clearances...i also have IRS-MBI, are only good for 5 years.
7/5/10 10:11 PM
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Anarkis2 - Secret and TS are not a big deal. SCI with Lifestyle Poly is when it can get dicey depending on the person grilling you. Its starts to become an at there discretion issue if they decide to clear you or not. Just be honest with them and you will be fine. I have seen complete dumb asses get cleared so I doubt any intelligent clear cut guy will have a problem.



well I think it can be a crapshoot. I have seen two brilliant people both get dinged for minor stuff.
7/6/10 6:56 AM
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yeah. Not a t/st.
7/10/10 6:08 AM
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 Started reading up about this.  If you go for a full scope/lifestyle poly, they can ask you if you like other men, if you fantasize about other men, if you secretly dress in women's clothing, if you like scat pornography, if you ever fucked an animal, shit like that.  It's basically anything goes.  On top of that, they will ask you if you've committed any undetected crimes.  The shitty thing is, you can be honest as shit and still not get past the polygraph.  I just decided fuck it, I won't even try.  It's not worth going in there getting grilled over my past.
7/10/10 8:13 AM
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Nocturnal -  Started reading up about this.  If you go for a full scope/lifestyle poly, they can ask you if you like other men, if you fantasize about other men, if you secretly dress in women's clothing, if you like scat pornography, if you ever fucked an animal, shit like that.  It's basically anything goes.  On top of that, they will ask you if you've committed any undetected crimes.  The shitty thing is, you can be honest as shit and still not get past the polygraph.  I just decided fuck it, I won't even try.  It's not worth going in there getting grilled over my past.


they don't care about any of that weird stuff.
7/10/10 9:55 PM
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 The reason they ask about sexual stuff is you can be black mailed if you have fucked other women behind your wife's back, or if you are into beastaility, shit like that.  It can be used against you to divulge sensitive information that you see with your clearance.  They have not backed off asking those types of questions.  It all depends on what type of polygraph you receive.  If you get a full scope/lifestyle, they can ask you anything they want, there is no law stating they cannot ask you these questions.

If you get a CI or counter intelligence, this type of polygraph normally does not ask anything regarding things going on in your personal life.
7/13/10 9:36 PM
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Nocturnal -  The reason they ask about sexual stuff is you can be black mailed if you have fucked other women behind your wife's back, or if you are into beastaility, shit like that.  It can be used against you to divulge sensitive information that you see with your clearance.  They have not backed off asking those types of questions.  It all depends on what type of polygraph you receive.  If you get a full scope/lifestyle, they can ask you anything they want, there is no law stating they cannot ask you these questions.

If you get a CI or counter intelligence, this type of polygraph normally does not ask anything regarding things going on in your personal life.



I kind of agree with Anarkis. I know a lot of poly clearances, and they don't get asked theses questions.

7/16/10 12:26 AM
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I know a dude that took the lifestyles poly, he got stuck on the child molester question. Couldn't pass it, it fucked with his head so much he left.

I'm assuming he was innocent since he openly told people the story.
7/23/10 3:16 AM
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ChristPuncher - Lots of misinformation on this thread.

 you seem upset...

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