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8/10/10 7:17 PM
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Sir Taps
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The main problem with the system the IBJJF have put in place is that it only works for black belts who are associated with 2nd degree (or higher) black belts. But what happens to all the guys (and girls) who are black belts, but are not associated with anyone of the rank required by the IBJJF to sign them off? Given the fractious nature of BJJ, I bet there must be hundreds of black belts who are now unable to register through no fault of their own. The IBJJF simply haven't thought this through.

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8/10/10 10:33 PM
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So how much do the BB's in Brazil pay to "certify" their belts? Im thinking that the U.S. BB have to pay more am I wrong?
8/11/10 1:03 AM
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Sir Taps - The main problem with the system the IBJJF have put in place is that it only works for black belts who are associated with 2nd degree (or higher) black belts. But what happens to all the guys (and girls) who are black belts, but are not associated with anyone of the rank required by the IBJJF to sign them off? Given the fractious nature of BJJ, I bet there must be hundreds of black belts who are now unable to register through no fault of their own. The IBJJF simply haven't thought this through.

James


no fault of their own bar not checking the registration details in time? what are the 7Ps again?

Are there really that many? Use the UK as an example, i can only think of single black belt who might have this problem given a bust up with his former association - everybody else is directly associated with someone of 2nd degree or above.

I assume there will be some teething troubles as this thing comes in & you'd think they;d do an amnesty/give a pass for anyone who has already medalled at black, brown/black at one of the ibjjf comps tho...
8/11/10 2:50 AM
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Who are Matt or Roli black belts under, couldn't one of them sign it?
8/11/10 4:21 AM
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JSho - no fault of their own bar not checking the registration details in time? what are the 7Ps again?


Not arguing with you on that one - dates are available for all, up to the individual to check those things out.

Are there really that many? Use the UK as an example, i can only think of single black belt who might have this problem given a bust up with his former association - everybody else is directly associated with someone of 2nd degree or above.


I can think of 3, and possibly a 4th. That's not many out of the 67 or so listed on the EFN belt list, but the point is still valid IMO.

I assume there will be some teething troubles as this thing comes in & you'd think they'd do an amnesty/give a pass for anyone who has already medalled at black, brown/black at one of the ibjjf comps tho...


Hopefully they'll review the process at some point.

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8/11/10 7:08 AM
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Matt's a first degree, Roli's due for his first degree soon, but you have to be a second degree AND be registered (IE paying) with the IBJJF. I'm the only reason they would have to pay membership fees so it's just easier for a friend of theirs to sign for me.
8/11/10 8:15 AM
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What are the actual fees though. I have been told $400-$500 before. Why not just Lower the price!No other Martial art would cost this much for registration!
8/11/10 9:57 AM
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So how much do the BB's in Brazil pay to "certify" their belts? Im thinking that the U.S. BB have to pay more am I wrong?

-I think it's about 200R to get the membership in Brazil and the price I believe is $400 to register here in the states. $400?, It should at least come with free admission to two IBJJF tournaments.
8/11/10 10:29 AM
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Hillary - It won't mean most American's won't compete, it's just forcing guys to affiliate with a bigger school when they won't necessarily need to otherwise.


Here lies the problem. People will have to affiliate with bigger teams which means following some other persons rules, repping their team, and paying fees for said affiliation. Politics being what they are, some people just don't want to deal with this system of BS.


8/11/10 10:35 AM
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JSho -

Are there really that many? Use the UK as an example, i can only think of single black belt who might have this problem given a bust up with his former association - everybody else is directly associated with someone of 2nd degree or above.

I assume there will be some teething troubles as this thing comes in & you'd think they;d do an amnesty/give a pass for anyone who has already medalled at black, brown/black at one of the ibjjf comps tho...


Well here in the US, let's just take Marc Laimon as an example since his name was already mentioned. He is no longer with Nova Uniao and has been doing his owb thing for a while. Sim Go is a black belt under Laimon and has competed in Abu Dhabi, by the new rules, Sim would not be able to compete unless he went outside and got someone else to sign for his certificate. Baret Yoshida would fall under this as well.

This is just for black belts now, but I would imagine this would roll out eventually for all belt levels.

If I am no longer have any affiliation and want to do/start my own thing, shouldn't a belt certificate signed by the person who gave you your ranking be sufficient? I mean, why does it have to be 2nd degree? All degrees (black belts) are based upon are time and if you paid your annual fees to the IBJJF.
8/11/10 10:50 AM
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The IBJJF should offer a standard $50 per year membership fee for practitioners of all levels (that covers insurance). To compete you'd need to have a valid membership, and you'd use that ID at comps rather then driver's licence or passport like at comps now.

For black belts, a small fee of $20-30 to register as a black belt could be levied. The promoting instructor could submit a promotion form to the Federation each time they promote a black belt, which could then be added to an official black belt register. I think that by charging a more reasonable fee more people would be more willing to sign up.

How they'd organise registering existing belts, I don't know. Maybe ask each academy/team to submit a list of everyone they've ever promoted to black belt and go from there? Or maybe JSho could run a spreadsheet of every blackbelt that's ever been... ;)

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8/11/10 11:08 AM
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Sir Taps -

How they'd organise registering existing belts, I don't know. Maybe ask each academy/team to submit a list of everyone they've ever promoted to black belt and go from there? Or maybe JSho could run a spreadsheet of every blackbelt that's ever been... ;)

James


I'd say as long as they can produce an original copy of their black belt certificate from their instructor they should be good to go.

However the JSHO option seems more promising.
8/11/10 11:37 AM
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Does the 2nd degree black belt who signs off on these also have to be registered with the IBJJF?
8/11/10 11:43 AM
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countlphie - Does the 2nd degree black belt who signs off on these also have to be registered with the IBJJF?


Yes. They have to be a registered instructor. The fee for the competitors is considerably less than the instructors fee as well. The instructors fee is the one that is $400+.
8/11/10 11:46 AM
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spider guard - I'd say as long as they can produce an original copy of their black belt certificate from their instructor they should be good to go.

However the JSHO option seems more promising.


Does every team/instructor give a black belt certificate though?

Looks like JSho is the only reliable way forward with this. Go get em!!

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8/11/10 3:19 PM
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I wouldn't worry too much about the IBJJF. When any large organization becomes too tyrannical, either others will form or more people will seek out other organizations if they already exist. The IBJJF will either have to adapt (i.e. ease off a little on the restrictions) or risk going out of business.

That's the power of Capitalism, my friends. As a side note even though it doesn't necessarily have to do with the topic, yes, this post is directed to all of you lazy, socialist bums.
8/14/10 2:16 PM
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by those rules BJ penn couldn't have competed in the 2000 mundiales
8/14/10 7:20 PM
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Did the Chicago Open registration close early???
8/14/10 9:32 PM
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matt murdock - Did the Chicago Open registration close early???


It looks that way. I thought I was going, but it doesn't look like it now.
8/14/10 10:31 PM
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When I gave Lana her black belt after winnging the worlds,they wanted to make sure that I was at least a third degree black belt,that as they said is the rule.Enough good friends vouch for me.

They also wanted $250.00 to be reconized by the IBJJF.

I never paid.
8/14/10 10:37 PM
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I emailed the IBJJF to inquire about IBJJF black belt membership. Someone promptly wrote back the following:

Hi Kyle,

For residents at USA is avaible the USBJJF membership ID request online on the link http://www.usbjjf.org/member.htm

Just follow the steps and the information that you will receive by e-mail.

Is $30 for the membership ID, valid until december 2011.

Thanks


I don't understand where you guys are getting the $400+ figure.

Seems reasonable to me, unless I'm missing something.
8/15/10 4:38 AM
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evangelico - by those rules BJ penn couldn't have competed in the 2000 mundiales


why, André_Pederneiras is a 5th dan now, he must have been a 2nd dan back in 2000.

And how are the IBJJF being tyrannical, don't the IJF and other Judo federations and FILA have exactly the same kinda thing going on?
8/15/10 1:37 PM
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manster - I emailed the IBJJF to inquire about IBJJF black belt membership. Someone promptly wrote back the following:

Hi Kyle,

For residents at USA is avaible the USBJJF membership ID request online on the link http://www.usbjjf.org/member.htm

Just follow the steps and the information that you will receive by e-mail.

Is $30 for the membership ID, valid until december 2011.

Thanks


I don't understand where you guys are getting the $400+ figure.

Seems reasonable to me, unless I'm missing something.


$400 is what you have to pay if you want your school to be recognized by the IBJJF.

Not so much an issue now, but when they start the card to be required for the other belts, and they will start, then it will be an issue. You won't be able to compete unless your academy is recognized.
8/15/10 1:40 PM
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IBJJF new Black Belt rule is BULLSHIT.

I'm tempted to never compete at any of their events again.
8/15/10 3:48 PM
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why, André_Pederneiras is a 5th dan now, he must have been a 2nd dan back in 2000


maybe he is referring to the 1 year that must be spent at brown belt before advancing to black belt. Not sure exactly how long BJ spent at brown belt though

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