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8/18/10 2:45 PM
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Judo Scott
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My biggest problem no gi is opening the closed guard. From watching ADCC vids it seems this is an issue at all levels of no gi grappling.

What are your passing strategies?
8/18/10 2:46 PM
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I suppose I didn't have to specify no gi in the title since its the no gi forum.
8/18/10 3:56 PM
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One hand on the bicep, one hand on the throat.

Stand up quickly and get good posture.

Step back with one leg and push down on his knee with both hands.
8/18/10 8:30 PM
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 Punch them in the face until the guard opens:)

There are a lot of ways of breaking the guard open. I have more succes with the techniques where you stand while breaking the guard. Regardless, breaking the guard is the hardest part about passing. Once the guard is broke you're home free.
8/18/10 9:23 PM
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Either both arms in the arm pits, scoot back and insert knee or both hands on the throat, pressure and stand!
8/18/10 9:37 PM
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Don't like both hands on the throat, personally. Leaving both of his arms free is asking for trouble.
8/18/10 9:42 PM
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sao paulo pass....see wilson reis
8/18/10 10:04 PM
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Both arms in pits, stand and insert knee in ass. sit on back ankle driving knee in between you and opponent.
8/18/10 10:09 PM
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asscobra - Both arms in pits, stand and insert knee in ass. sit on back ankle driving knee in between you and opponent.


This can definitely work but I find the stand and break to be higher percentage, particularly in no-gi.
8/18/10 10:11 PM
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Judo Scott
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I have a harder time standing up in no gi. I generally go fort he two hands in the arm pits pass where you come to all fours and get a knee in.
8/18/10 10:15 PM
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Put your weight on his bicep and throat and jump directly to your feet. Don't stand up gradually.
8/18/10 10:39 PM
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I've never had all that much of a problem.

Two hand push inside the knee or hip push, hunchback posture, knee up the middle.

There's countless instructionals on this.
8/18/10 11:30 PM
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 My favorate way to break the closed guard is to bait them. I leave my arms out so far that it seems impossible for me to recover from an armbar attemp. Once they attemp a submission, I'm passing their guard. You must practice armbar and triangle defense just incase.
8/19/10 8:00 AM
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donnie -  My favorate way to break the closed guard is to bait them. I leave my arms out so far that it seems impossible for me to recover from an armbar attemp. Once they attemp a submission, I'm passing their guard. You must practice armbar and triangle defense just incase.


I have an omaplata escape that I use like that
8/19/10 8:16 AM
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If they're playing SUPER squeeze tard guard, stand up and spin them.
8/19/10 10:35 AM
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Opening the closed guard shouldn't be a problem considering that the guard player has to open the guard or climb up with his legs to attack. When they climb I like the standing knee in middle break. I also like to bait kimuras and pendulum sweeps to trap an arm for a pass.
8/20/10 4:00 PM
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donnie -  My favorate way to break the closed guard is to bait them. I leave my arms out so far that it seems impossible for me to recover from an armbar attemp. Once they attemp a submission, I'm passing their guard. You must practice armbar and triangle defense just incase.


i do this as well. i started to feel lazy doing it though. felt as if i should have been actively using some technique to break open the guard as opposed to waiting on my opponent.
8/20/10 5:55 PM
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I try to never use baiting because you wouldn't want to do that in a tournament, unless you are about to lose on points and you need the pass to win.
8/20/10 9:04 PM
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Check out Marcelo's matches from ADCC 2009. He uses a couple of interesting techniques to break the closed guard from standing.
8/20/10 11:46 PM
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 can opener also works well, but don't be a dick and crank the neck, just open the guard and get your combat base and pass..
8/21/10 3:33 AM
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jammer1 - Opening the closed guard shouldn't be a problem considering that the guard player has to open the guard or climb up with his legs to attack. When they climb I like the standing knee in middle break. I also like to bait kimuras and pendulum sweeps to trap an arm for a pass.

 I rarely close my guard anymore. The problem is when your grappling less experienced players that feel like the only way to survive is to clamp down with all their might.
8/21/10 3:36 AM
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donnie -  My favorate way to break the closed guard is to bait them. I leave my arms out so far that it seems impossible for me to recover from an armbar attemp. Once they attemp a submission, I'm passing their guard. You must practice armbar and triangle defense just incase.


i do this as well. i started to feel lazy doing it though. felt as if i should have been actively using some technique to break open the guard as opposed to waiting on my opponent.

 I'll try several ways to break the guard before I start the baiting. To me the baiting techniques are best use for the guys that clamp down like I mention above. I'll be training with someone that has 30+ pounds of muscle more than me and they will not let go of the guard hold for the life of them.
8/21/10 3:46 AM
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Kai Tremeche - I try to never use baiting because you wouldn't want to do that in a tournament, unless you are about to lose on points and you need the pass to win.

 I haven't done tournamnets in a very long time. Why would it be bad to use baiting to pass the guard?

I think baiting would be even easier in a tournament enviroment. One of the baiting techniques is a common beginner mistake. Leaving an arm on the body and turning to reach back and try to uncross the closed legs. This usually turns into the bottom guy getting a triangle or armbar, but I'm counting on them going for those moves so I can change to a different position.

I think it would be easier in an tournament becuase most people probably don't know that much about their opponent. So, a beginner mistake like above would just make the bottom player think they were grappling a lesser opponent and go for the sub without thought of any baiting happening.
8/21/10 12:43 PM
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Kai Tremeche - I try to never use baiting because you wouldn't want to do that in a tournament, unless you are about to lose on points and you need the pass to win.

 I haven't done tournamnets in a very long time. Why would it be bad to use baiting to pass the guard?

I think baiting would be even easier in a tournament enviroment. One of the baiting techniques is a common beginner mistake. Leaving an arm on the body and turning to reach back and try to uncross the closed legs. This usually turns into the bottom guy getting a triangle or armbar, but I'm counting on them going for those moves so I can change to a different position.

I think it would be easier in an tournament becuase most people probably don't know that much about their opponent. So, a beginner mistake like above would just make the bottom player think they were grappling a lesser opponent and go for the sub without thought of any baiting happening.


It's because when you bait, you are testing your escape skills against a possible finish just to improve position, when you already have an advantage by being on top in guard.

A possible finish just to pass the guard.

That is something best left for desperation.
10/18/10 9:24 AM
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u usually grind my elbows in the inner thigh just below the knees while pushing downwards

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