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9/5/10 10:59 PM
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Emotion #13 -  IMagine if another car was coming the other direction and that cops rounds hit and killed the driver and the kids in THAT car.

The trooper should be fired or at least retrained.


did you bother watching the vid? First of all it's Billings Montana, it isn't a stretch to say he's familiar with his surroundings and that passing traffic is not only rare, but easy to see since it's pitch fucking black and there were no headlights anywhere. Let's say he shows restraint, he's being pursued, he's shot at a cop, he's armed and dangerous, he takes off, abandon's his car, goes into the next home he finds and takes hostages, now multiple lives are in danger because the cop didn't fire back at the guy who just fired upon him. And again, it's a rural road in Billings fucking Montana 42nd street NYC.
9/6/10 9:56 AM
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jimmy23 - I wonder how a cop processes an event like that later - all of a sudden a gun is in your face, you react and shoot, and then comes the adrenalin dump


and the realization that you got very lucky to have lived through it

its got to mess with your head for awhile 

exactly what I thought when I saw that. Could you imagine? faaack


I remember seeing an interview with the officer. He said he saw the gun and started to process the situation but when he heard the first click he then though it was a really bad joke. As he was thinking "why would someone do that to me" it went bang and he was back to responding to the fact that he was in a gunfight.

It's got to be tough as hell having to be polite and professional in your daily interactions while at the same time being instantaneously ready for a gunfight.

I wonder if the officer knew who he was pulling over? Apparently the dirtbag had a 10 year history of arrests including assault on a police officer.
9/6/10 10:03 AM
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 someone posted this a few months ago . i had posted dudes obituary in the thread.
9/6/10 10:05 AM
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9/6/10 10:51 AM
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MarsMan - Why, oh why do they still let cops alone on patrols??????

 Because it's not operationally efficient to have 2 cops rather than 1.  You are nearly doubling your costs.  You think the taxpayers want to fork over that money?  Just pay the cops more for the added danger and the rest is $$profit$$ weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
9/7/10 5:36 PM
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IP - Didn't listen to a word I said. Just standing on your little soap-box trying to get people to think you're credible while being unable to offer any practical experience of your own to the discussion.

 I read what you said.  You claim it's different but essentially just as dangerous.  The BLS statistics say otherwise. 


You may have read what he said. However, you clearly do not UNDERSTAND what he said.

You are speaking like a swimming instructor who never gets into the pool. Acting like you know this and know that because you've read "statistics"

What IP is saying is that working as an Ironworker he had MORE control of how safe his work environment was/is. With policing you basically have no control of how the person acts when you pull them over. All you can do is adapt to the situation. Yes there are dangers in every job, but they are all different types of danger. What makes policing dangerous is essentially they have to go out LOOKING for danger to stop it. In most other professions you aren't looking for it, it just happens if it does.

They are the ones running towards danger when everyone else is running away from it.
9/7/10 7:20 PM
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Being a cop is dangerous.

In fact; a cop in Toronto was shot just a few weeks ago.

http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2716694

9/7/10 7:30 PM
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9/7/10 8:55 PM
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I live a couple hours away from where this shooting happened and I for one am glad that that shit bag is off of the roads..








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9/7/10 10:41 PM
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IP - Didn't listen to a word I said. Just standing on your little soap-box trying to get people to think you're credible while being unable to offer any practical experience of your own to the discussion.

 I read what you said.  You claim it's different but essentially just as dangerous.  The BLS statistics say otherwise. 


You may have read what he said. However, you clearly do not UNDERSTAND what he said.

You are speaking like a swimming instructor who never gets into the pool. Acting like you know this and know that because you've read "statistics"

What IP is saying is that working as an Ironworker he had MORE control of how safe his work environment was/is. With policing you basically have no control of how the person acts when you pull them over. All you can do is adapt to the situation. Yes there are dangers in every job, but they are all different types of danger. What makes policing dangerous is essentially they have to go out LOOKING for danger to stop it. In most other professions you aren't looking for it, it just happens if it does.

They are the ones running towards danger when everyone else is running away from it.
and despite all of that, being a cop is still safer.  Amazing, ain't it?
 
9/7/10 11:12 PM
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"and despite all of that, being a cop is still safer. Amazing, ain't it?"

Actually no.

It has to do with exposure.

If you are a roofer, 99% of your time on the job is actually on top of a roof. Most guys even have their lunch-break on the roof.

If you are a logger, 99% of your time on the job is spent operating deadly machinery like chainsaws and wood-chippers.

In jobs like these, you are exposed to danger almost the entire time you are on the job.

Most of the time cops are just hanging out. Standing around for hours and hours just waiting for something to happen. Or just sitting in a police cruiser hoping someone speeds by them too quickly.

Sure they have moments of danger. But they are not in constant danger for every minute of their daily shift like others are.

9/7/10 11:14 PM
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Dexter Morgan - "and despite all of that, being a cop is still safer. Amazing, ain't it?"

Actually no.

It has to do with exposure.

If you are a roofer, 99% of your time on the job is actually on top of a roof. Most guys even have their lunch-break on the roof.

If you are a logger, 99% of your time on the job is spent operating deadly machinery like chainsaws and wood-chippers.

In jobs like these, you are exposed to danger almost the entire time you are on the job.

Most of the time cops are just hanging out. Standing around for hours and hours just waiting for something to happen. Or just sitting in a police cruiser hoping someone speeds by them too quickly.

Sure they have moments of danger. But they are not in constant danger for every minute of their daily shift like others are.

sooooooo.....in other words, being a cop is safer.  
 
9/7/10 11:22 PM
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9/7/10 11:27 PM
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Angry White Guy - copfriend you dumb overzealous dick when did I say they should be exempt from the law themselves? Way to go twisting up a simple statement into one of your bitchy little tirades. You seem to have a real problem with male authority boy? Care to explain why you are so goddam whiny?

9/7/10 11:31 PM
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"sooooooo.....in other words, being a cop is safer. "

Yes, I agree 100%.

I have worked in heavy machinery. I've seen some horrible injuries to co-workers on the job. Like guys with hands cut off, or legs crushed.

No way in hell is any cop in that kind of constant danger.

9/7/10 11:59 PM
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mexican jujitsu -  someone posted this a few months ago . i had posted dudes obituary in the thread.

 

HAMILTON – Raymond “Thane” Davis was born Sept. 17, 1973. He was given freedom from his earthly cares on Saturday, Jan. 2, 2010.

Thane had a great love of the outdoors. Whether it was camping, hiking or fishing you could find him there enjoying Montana’s big sky country. One of his favorite places in the summer was jumping off the Corvallis Bridge and swimming in his beloved river.

His passion was hitching horse hair and Western arts. He loved old country music and Ford Mustangs; they were “his car.”

Thane was a big teddy bear who had a heart of gold. He would give anyone that was down and out a second chance. When Thane came back to the valley after a long absence, he found not everyone was as forgiving as he was. The last year of his life was filled with ups and downs. Immense joys and deep, deep sorrows. He is now happy forever in the loving arms of his Savior Jesus Christ, who he knew without a doubt, would always forgive him.

Thane is survived by his grandparents, Alfred and Mary Haws; mother Sue (Ken) Ireland; father Ray Davis; sisters Raylene (Chris) Wroble and Sherry Ireland; children Sasha Nott, Kasey Smith, Dylan Davis and Geena Petermann.

Thane will be truly missed by his friends and family.


9/8/10 12:37 AM
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That cop is one lucky guy!!!

The bad guy got what was coming to him.
9/8/10 2:42 AM
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IP - Didn't listen to a word I said. Just standing on your little soap-box trying to get people to think you're credible while being unable to offer any practical experience of your own to the discussion.

 I read what you said.  You claim it's different but essentially just as dangerous.  The BLS statistics say otherwise. 


You may have read what he said. However, you clearly do not UNDERSTAND what he said.

You are speaking like a swimming instructor who never gets into the pool. Acting like you know this and know that because you've read "statistics"

What IP is saying is that working as an Ironworker he had MORE control of how safe his work environment was/is. With policing you basically have no control of how the person acts when you pull them over. All you can do is adapt to the situation. Yes there are dangers in every job, but they are all different types of danger. What makes policing dangerous is essentially they have to go out LOOKING for danger to stop it. In most other professions you aren't looking for it, it just happens if it does.

They are the ones running towards danger when everyone else is running away from it.
and despite all of that, being a cop is still safer.  Amazing, ain't it?
 


Obvious troll is obvious.
9/8/10 2:58 AM
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HAMILTON - A coroner's inquest found Tuesday that Hamilton Police Officer Ross Jessop was justified in shooting Raymond Thane Davis to death after the Hamilton man opened fire during a late-night traffic stop in January.

It took a six-woman jury one hour to make its ruling following nearly five hours of testimony, which included a video that showed Davis pointing a pistol inches from Jessop's face and pulling the trigger.

The click of the revolver's hammer hitting a previously fired round was audible in the recording.

Davis fired a second time as the officer fell back and drew his own weapon.

Jessop fired his pistol 14 times into Davis' vehicle as it sped away. One round hit Davis, 36, in the back and he died at the scene.

Davis' .41 caliber revolver was recovered from the floorboard of his vehicle. Its hammer was cocked and ready to fire.

***

Witnesses testified Tuesday that Davis' taste for whiskey and a bad case of jealousy were to blame for the fatal confrontation.

Shannon Diaz, bar manager at Hamilton's Office and Silver Coin Casino, said Davis was acting strange enough on the evening of Jan. 1 that she wouldn't serve alcohol to him.

"He was completely not like himself ... when he starts drinking whiskey, he just completely turns into a different person," Diaz said.

She told him he needed to leave.

Davis returned later and found his girlfriend, Diaz and another man sitting outside. The man - who is African-American - had loaned Davis' girlfriend his coat.

That set off Davis, Diaz said.

He shouted racial epithets and later texted the same to his girlfriend. When he returned to the bar, Diaz had bouncers and her husband put him out.

She said someone later received a text message saying Davis had a gun.

Tracy Womack, owner of the Ponderosa Bar, said Davis was fine when she first saw him around 9 p.m., but she knew he'd been fighting with his girlfriend when he came back later and continued drinking.

When Davis' girlfriend came back to the Ponderosa later, she asked to hide behind the bar.

"She sat on a little stool. ... She didn't want him to see her," Womack said.

He spotted her the second time he came back and started yelling racial epithets at her again. Womack told him to leave.

"I knew I needed to protect her and get him gone," she said.

Davis moved to the Rainbow Bar, where he continued to drink.

The bartender there, Nicholas Renzo, remembered wrapping up Davis' hand, which was bleeding.

"He said he hit a wall or something. ... Anyone who knows him, knows he shouldn't drink whiskey," Renzo testified. "He gets violent."

He later told Renzo later he had a gun.

Just before Davis got ready to leave at about 1:30 a.m., he looked at Renzo and told him "It was nice knowing you. I'm not going to see you for a while."

Renzo said he thought was the alcohol talking.


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***

Jessop was raised in Pinesdale. He is a 2001 Corvallis graduate who had been working at the Hamilton Police Department since 2008.

On Jan. 1, he came on shift at 4:45 p.m. and was scheduled to get off work 10 hours later, at 2:45 a.m.

That night, Jessop first saw Davis talking to two Hamilton police officers.

The officers were questioning Davis about battery cables that had been cut on his girlfriend's car. The officers told Jessop that Davis was heavily intoxicated and had been warned not to drive.

Not long afterward, Jessop spotted Davis' Lincoln Navigator driving north of Second Street. He pulled in behind and followed the vehicle as it turned on Adirondack Street. When Davis used a turn lane to drive straight through the next intersection, Jessop turned on his lights.

Davis crossed the railroad tracks on Fairgrounds Road and pulled over on a patch of dirt almost directly across from the fairgrounds entrance.

Jessop activated his spotlight, then saw something he'd never before seen during a traffic stop: Davis reached out and slowly adjusted his mirror so he could see the officer.

"That's very unusual," Jessop testified. "Our spotlights are very bright and they hurt your eyes."

Most people immediately turn their mirrors so the light is reflected away from their face, he said.

"At that point, I was caught off guard," Jessop said. "I approached with a little more caution than I usually do."

***

Jessop could smell the alcohol on Davis as soon as he neared the window. He asked the man how much he'd had to drink that night.

"Plenty," came the reply.

Jessop said the face that stared out the window that night was hard to describe.

"It was argumentative ... very sure of himself, almost cocky."

Jessop asked him what he meant by plenty. A split second later the officer was staring down the barrel of Davis' .41 Magnum Smith & Wesson pistol.

"The end looked bigger than a quarter," Jessop said.

Jessop heard a click.

Davis pulled the trigger and the hammer fell on an empty round.

"My very first thought - after I realized it was a revolver - was I was terrified. Absolutely terrified," Jessop testified. "I recall thinking I wasn't going to see my wife again. I wasn't going to see my mom, my brothers or my sisters, or my co-workers or my dogs. I was terrified."

Jessop moved his face away from the threat as fast as he could.

"I did hear the click," he said. "I remember stopping. I was actually hoping it was just a joke ... I remember thinking why would you do that to an officer."

And then he saw Davis' head readjust.

"I remember thinking the reason he's readjusting his head is he's going to shoot again," Jessop said.

He ran toward the back of Davis' vehicle, while drawing his Glock 22.

He heard a gunshot.

"My next thought was I had to defend myself and eliminate the threat to me," Jessop said. "I don't recall drawing my weapon. I do remember my first shot. I was conscious that I was shooting my gun."

Jessop thought he'd fired seven or eight rounds. It turned out he'd fired 14.

Six bullets hit Davis' vehicle, including the one that drove through the passenger and driver's seats and into Davis' back.

After Davis' vehicle struck a building and came to a stop, Jessop loaded his rifle and got in his car and moved closer.

Ravalli County Attorney George Corn asked him why - after he'd nearly been killed - did he move closer to his assailant.

"My duty as an officer is to make sure the community is safe," Jessop said. "I had no idea if I hit him or not. My thought was to get close enough to keep the area safe and keep myself safe."

Davis was dead when he was pulled from his vehicle by officers not long afterward.

***

John Pohle, the Powell County coroner, presided over Tuesday's inquest.

The investigation of the shooting was completed by the Missoula Police Department, and the investigative team testified Tuesday.

Missoula Police Lt. Steve Brester, who led the investigation, said Jan. 1 wasn't the first time Davis had been on the wrong side of the law.

Davis was a registered violent offender with a criminal history going back 10 years, including a felony conviction for assault on a police officer.

At the end of the hearing, Corn called Brester to the stand one last time.

By now, Jessop was sitting in the front row, flanked by his fellow officers. His wife was sitting a row back and other supporters filled the courtroom.

Corn wanted Brester's professional opinion: Was it necessary for Jessop to shoot Davis?

"My opinion is that Mr. Davis purposely put his .41 Magnum into the face of Officer Jessop with the intention of killing him," Brester replied. "Officer Jessop had no choice but to respond with lethal force."

The jury agreed unanimously.

 
9/8/10 6:09 AM
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if I'm a cop and some whacko even remotely thinks of pulling heat on me, I'm wastin 'em...I don't care what bad situation they're in emotionally, personally, anything...you pull a gun on cop you deserve to get smoked... Phone Post
9/8/10 6:20 AM
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IP - Didn't listen to a word I said. Just standing on your little soap-box trying to get people to think you're credible while being unable to offer any practical experience of your own to the discussion.

 I read what you said.  You claim it's different but essentially just as dangerous.  The BLS statistics say otherwise. 


You may have read what he said. However, you clearly do not UNDERSTAND what he said.

You are speaking like a swimming instructor who never gets into the pool. Acting like you know this and know that because you've read "statistics"

What IP is saying is that working as an Ironworker he had MORE control of how safe his work environment was/is. With policing you basically have no control of how the person acts when you pull them over. All you can do is adapt to the situation. Yes there are dangers in every job, but they are all different types of danger. What makes policing dangerous is essentially they have to go out LOOKING for danger to stop it. In most other professions you aren't looking for it, it just happens if it does.

They are the ones running towards danger when everyone else is running away from it.
and despite all of that, being a cop is still safer.  Amazing, ain't it?
 


Obvious troll is obvious.
no troll dude.  Even with everything you said, being a cop is STILL safer than all of the other jobs mentioned. 
 
9/11/10 11:03 PM
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he was a little abrasive during his contact. his spinout was a lil slow. good recovery. Looks like a move a Rhode Island Troopah used successfully a few years back. With todays high capacity handguns and high penetrating rounds use caution with shooting at cops, paybacks are a muthaaa fuckaaaaaaa!



Explain high penetrating rounds to someone not well-versed in firearms. I thought cops use hollow points?




todays hollow points penetrate as well. Rangers and HST tacticals are constructed to stay in one piece and penetrate window glass, doors, sheetrock etc....

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