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9/17/10 5:52 PM
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andre
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When cash games are my specialty, why have I been avoiding them online!?!?!!

I'm loving the $2/$4 tables right now.
9/17/10 10:42 PM
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I'm up $1000 in one day, playing 1 table at a time. I know it wont always be like this, but so far the games are softer than the live game I play almost daily.
9/18/10 8:04 AM
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i think i mentioned this way back when u were playing live, and then ventured into online tournaments.
i said that the way most people earn a living in grinding the cash games online. my brother has been doing this for the past few years. and i never understood ur fascination with playing live at the commerce and then playing tournaments.
sure its great when u cash for a big payday, but how rare is that?
as mentioned before, my brother usually 12-15 tables the 2/4, 3/6 and 5/10
9/18/10 8:17 AM
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 You aren't ready for $2/$4 online.  You are going to get crushed.

What level do you play live?
9/18/10 1:53 PM
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Vector,

For the last few years I've been playing $3/$5 live. I'm used to swings of $600-$1000 in a day.
9/18/10 1:55 PM
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I played 3 tables yesterday ($2/$4) and ended the day up $700. I lost a $590 hand by getting it in with AA against 77 and the villain spiking a 7 on the flop. That made a big difference in my overall profit for the day.
9/18/10 1:56 PM
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TigerDriver - 
andre - When cash games are my specialty, why have I been avoiding them online!?!?!!

I'm loving the $2/$4 tables right now.


I don't know, maybe you've been playing a game you find more fun?

I'm so burned out on poker, I've been playing props the last few x I've hit the tables just to make it interesting. Fucking dropped about two grand on red in the last month, it's a bad habit. On the plus side I've been hitting on 3, 5 and 8 on props.


Tiger, I'm more accustomed to cash but I figured Id improve my tournament game by playing a lot of it online and saving the cash games for my local casinos (Hollywood Park and Hustler). But now I see that I should probably drop a level ($1/$2) and play a few tables of cash in addition to the tournaments.
9/18/10 1:58 PM
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walbjj - i think i mentioned this way back when u were playing live, and then ventured into online tournaments.
i said that the way most people earn a living in grinding the cash games online. my brother has been doing this for the past few years. and i never understood ur fascination with playing live at the commerce and then playing tournaments.
sure its great when u cash for a big payday, but how rare is that?
as mentioned before, my brother usually 12-15 tables the 2/4, 3/6 and 5/10


You were right...sorry I didnt listen sooner.

By the way, I'm not saying this just because I had a decently profitable day, but because I realized exactly what you just wrote.
9/18/10 10:45 PM
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I just ran the statistics for only 200 hands. Does anything jump out based on these stats?

200 hands played and saw flop:
- 7 times out of 23 while in small blind (30%)
- 9 times out of 23 while in big blind (39%)
- 33 times out of 154 in other positions (21%)
- a total of 49 times out of 200 (25%)

Pots won at showdown - 13 out of 17 (76%)
Pots won without showdown - 28
9/19/10 3:22 AM
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what site r u playing on??

if u dont mind me asking what kind of br r u playing with to be playin 3 tabls of 2/4

those stats dont really tell us much other than u need pokertracker or HEM.
9/19/10 4:55 AM
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cade,

I play on PS and FT.

My bankroll is about $7000.
9/19/10 4:56 AM
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just took down a $789 pot with QJ. It was beautiful.
9/19/10 5:00 AM
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PokerStars Game #49838836178: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2010/09/19 4:52:51 ET
Table 'Venus II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: 24kgilded ($566.70 in chips)
Seat 2: raysit ($352 in chips)
Seat 3: AlexanderT ($430.60 in chips)
Seat 4: masterland14 ($311.30 in chips)
Seat 5: MaLiTiCha ($337.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Huha'sgirl ($861.60 in chips)
Seat 7: Sparsi ($400 in chips)
Seat 8: Sbux Warrior ($394 in chips)
Seat 9: lydia12345 ($400 in chips)
lydia12345: posts small blind $2
24kgilded: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sbux Warrior [Jh Qc]
raysit: folds
AlexanderT: folds
masterland14: folds
MaLiTiCha: folds
Huha'sgirl: folds
Sparsi: folds
Sbux Warrior: raises $4 to $8
lydia12345: raises $24 to $32
24kgilded: folds
Sbux Warrior: calls $24
*** FLOP *** [9s Jc 9d]
lydia12345: bets $40
Sbux Warrior: raises $95 to $135
lydia12345: calls $95
*** TURN *** [9s Jc 9d] [7h]
lydia12345: checks
Sbux Warrior: bets $227 and is all-in
lydia12345: calls $227
*** RIVER *** [9s Jc 9d 7h] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lydia12345: shows [Ts Js] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
Sbux Warrior: shows [Jh Qc] (two pair, Jacks and Nines - Queen kicker)
Sbux Warrior collected $789 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $792 | Rake $3
Board [9s Jc 9d 7h 3h]
Seat 1: 24kgilded (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: raysit folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: AlexanderT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: masterland14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MaLiTiCha folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Huha'sgirl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Sparsi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Sbux Warrior (button) showed [Jh Qc] and won ($789) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 9: lydia12345 (small blind) showed [Ts Js] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines
9/19/10 1:28 PM
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I'm glad you are winning but I highly recommend to stop playing 2/4 andre, you aren't ready for that level.
9/19/10 2:27 PM
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PR,

Thanks...I'm sure you're right and I'll stop, but is the difference simply because its online? The pot and bet sizes are pretty normal for me, and I'm not afraid to get it in if I think I've got the best of it, so I'm unsure of what will need to click for me to be ready for that level.

What level do you recommend?

I have to say that I think online cash so far has been easier than the live game I play in regularly at Hollywood Park.
9/19/10 2:38 PM
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Its not the money, 2/4 is hard to beat. It is an advantage if you can stick to one or maybe two tables and you look for fish a lot.

However, I would think you should move down to like .50/1 tables (with your bankroll too, to consider). 7k can go easy at 2/4, all it takes it two bad days.
9/19/10 2:42 PM
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PR,

Thanks! I appreciate the advice (and warning).

Let me ask you this. If I dont multitable, I really find this $2/$4 level comfortable (so far), and perhaps because my opponents are multitabling...do you think I can be more profitable playing one table at this level or multitabling at .50/$1?

Thanks again!
9/19/10 3:41 PM
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andre, how did u build ur bankroll up to 7k w/o playing .50/1? did u win a big tourny or what. im not hating on you, to be honest, im kind of in awe. im just curious how u ended up playing 3 tables of 2/4? did u play .50/1 or 1/2 to get to 2/4??

u got balls. do u even use a hud or pokertracker? god im such a bankroll nit. with that being said if your br is 7k ( which is impressive) and u buy in to 1 table at 2/4 u have

400 x 18 equals 7,200 bux. thats 18 buyins. pr do u not think 18 buyins is enuff. if he loses 5 or 10 he could always drop down.

IM REALLY NOT TRYING TO BE A DICK but you asked for opinons on 200 hands. 200 hands isnt even a millisecond of online poker. good luck to you though, dont lose it...
9/19/10 4:57 PM
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andre - Vector,

For the last few years I've been playing $3/$5 live. I'm used to swings of $600-$1000 in a day.

If you can't beat the game, it doesn't matter how big of swings you can take.  The level of competition online at 2/4 is much better than the level of competition at 3/5 live.  You've only played 2/4 for a couple of days and you think that's a large enough sample size to determine whether this is the right level for you?  If you haven't already beaten 1/2 then you should not be playing 2/4.  Period.

Also, what kind of analysis do you do when selecting your table?
9/19/10 5:10 PM
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andre - just took down a $789 pot with QJ. It was beautiful.

 Wow, I didn't realize you could play QJ so beautifully.  You should move up to 3/6 or 5/10 for sure.  Through 501 hands you are a huge winner at 2/4.  You are ready for the next level.
9/19/10 7:35 PM
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cadeswallows - andre, how did u build ur bankroll up to 7k w/o playing .50/1? did u win a big tourny or what. im not hating on you, to be honest, im kind of in awe. im just curious how u ended up playing 3 tables of 2/4? did u play .50/1 or 1/2 to get to 2/4??

u got balls. do u even use a hud or pokertracker? god im such a bankroll nit. with that being said if your br is 7k ( which is impressive) and u buy in to 1 table at 2/4 u have

400 x 18 equals 7,200 bux. thats 18 buyins. pr do u not think 18 buyins is enuff. if he loses 5 or 10 he could always drop down.

IM REALLY NOT TRYING TO BE A DICK but you asked for opinons on 200 hands. 200 hands isnt even a millisecond of online poker. good luck to you though, dont lose it...


Ive been playing cash live for a few years at the $3/$5 level. My live bankroll ($5000) is separate from my online bankroll ($7000) even though I funded my online bankroll with money from my live roll. I've won some live tournaments for over $10,000, and some online ones for around $10,000. I'm a winning player live and I've been only playing tourneys and sit n gos online and I'm about break even.

I ended up playing $2/$4 because it's similar to the blinds I'm used to live. I may be playing above my level, but I'm not totally convinced of that yet. I'm going to wait until I have lost a couple of buy ins before I make that determination. If I'm on a heater, I might as well ride it out.

"do u even use a hud or pokertracker?"

I downloaded pokertracker, but I havent been using it. I need to.


I realize 200 hands is nothing. I was just wondering if there was anything unusual about the stats, even with that small of a sample size.
9/19/10 7:36 PM
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andre - Vector,

For the last few years I've been playing $3/$5 live. I'm used to swings of $600-$1000 in a day.

If you can't beat the game, it doesn't matter how big of swings you can take.  The level of competition online at 2/4 is much better than the level of competition at 3/5 live.  You've only played 2/4 for a couple of days and you think that's a large enough sample size to determine whether this is the right level for you?  If you haven't already beaten 1/2 then you should not be playing 2/4.  Period.

Also, what kind of analysis do you do when selecting your table?


You wrote that I think its a large enough sample size...I dont, but I'm going to see how it goes and make a determination. I'm not saying you're wrong...just saying that for now, Im taking a shot and I wont let it get out of hand. Just testing the waters.
9/19/10 7:38 PM
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VectorWega - 
andre - just took down a $789 pot with QJ. It was beautiful.

 Wow, I didn't realize you could play QJ so beautifully.  You should move up to 3/6 or 5/10 for sure.  Through 501 hands you are a huge winner at 2/4.  You are ready for the next level.



No need to be rude, even if you are posting this in my best interest. I am certain that I played it perfectly, DESPITE the fact that I won, not because of the fact that I won. It isnt evidence of anything regarding $2/$4, I was just happy with the hand.

If you think I played it poorly, I'd love to hear your reasoning.
9/19/10 9:08 PM
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I dont like it either andre for a bunch of reasons. Gimme a couple days I'll give my thoughts
9/19/10 9:51 PM
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The only thing I would readily acknowledge is my preflop call of his 4bet as being too loose.

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