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11/29/10 9:06 PM
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sly fox
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 duke, when you train fighters
-what amount of time do you spend on offense/ defense
-which defensive skills do you work the most?

thanks
11/29/10 9:31 PM
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I agree completely with Duke some of the worst habits I see in MMA striking compared to the K-1 level is the poor footwork, the complete lack of checking kicks in many fights and poor blocking practices manly holding the hands to low in kicking range.

But it has been getting a lot better mostly thanks to guys like Duke training more and more fighters in the MMA world.
11/29/10 11:27 PM
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As Duke im sure will note though as an MMA trainer, the ave MMA fighter will simply never be as technically proficient in every range of the sport where some pure stylist will not be able to critique their technique from that perspective.

MMA fighters simply have more to train than a pure stylist.

That said, things are always progressing and guys like Duke are one of the reasons that striking is improving and guys like us on the UG get to read about it first hand.

11/30/10 9:30 AM
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Footwork is something that has to be mastered in order to actually strike or defend
11/30/10 9:48 AM
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 I think that the problem is that footwork and punching are usually taught separately. 

Moving your feet is part of the mechanics of every punch.   They have to be taught together, you cannot punch without moving your feet.
11/30/10 6:51 PM
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11/30/10 8:08 PM
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 not near enough setups used in mma too

so many guys just lauch a kick without a kick or jab first
11/30/10 11:02 PM
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Wasa-B - As Duke im sure will note though as an MMA trainer, the ave MMA fighter will simply never be as technically proficient in every range of the sport where some pure stylist will not be able to critique their technique from that perspective.

MMA fighters simply have more to train than a pure stylist.



I think that this gets used all to often as an excuse. Sure a MMA fighter isn't going to have elite level everything. But I don't think it's asking for too much to expect a fighter to demonstrate a certain level of competence. A fighter doesn't have to be elite, but he should have solid fundamentals like good footwork.

Personally I think too many fighters focus on "striking" rather than "stand up." Same way a lot of guys back in the early days of MMA focused on submissions or having the closed guard and thought they were training grappling. It's easy and probably more fun to focus on the shiny bits. Hitting the pads, wailing away at the bag, making it jump but in the end that's all just chrome.
12/1/10 8:08 AM
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e. kaye -  I think that the problem is that footwork and punching are usually taught separately. 

Moving your feet is part of the mechanics of every punch.   They have to be taught together, you cannot punch without moving your feet.


AGREED
12/2/10 6:04 PM
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wreckker -  not near enough setups used in mma too

so many guys just lauch a kick without a kick or jab first


Agreed Punching before your kick is very important!
12/3/10 9:48 AM
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sly fox -  duke, when you train fighters
-what amount of time do you spend on offense/ defense
-which defensive skills do you work the most?

thanks


Sly Fox,

Offense at first for a beginner. We teach accuracy everything changes when you fight bone to bone shin & small gloves. Newer fighters damage themselves with wild striking

As fighters progress defense is key. Defense protects you. It also allows you to see opening better when you are comfortable at getting struck at.
12/3/10 1:19 PM
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Favorite MMA striker = Duane BANG Ludwig. He wins some, he loses some but he has great technique. Very clean striking.
12/3/10 1:41 PM
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Wasa-B - As Duke im sure will note though as an MMA trainer, the ave MMA fighter will simply never be as technically proficient in every range of the sport where some pure stylist will not be able to critique their technique from that perspective.

MMA fighters simply have more to train than a pure stylist.



I think that this gets used all to often as an excuse. Sure a MMA fighter isn't going to have elite level everything. But I don't think it's asking for too much to expect a fighter to demonstrate a certain level of competence. A fighter doesn't have to be elite, but he should have solid fundamentals like good footwork.

Personally I think too many fighters focus on "striking" rather than "stand up." Same way a lot of guys back in the early days of MMA focused on submissions or having the closed guard and thought they were training grappling. It's easy and probably more fun to focus on the shiny bits. Hitting the pads, wailing away at the bag, making it jump but in the end that's all just chrome.


Most good MMA camps have good striker coaches. I agree in some respects but what you're saying is easier said than done when it comes to comp.

That goes for any techs or any style in training to comp.

Then there is the SnW culture or pressure for PPVs though.
12/6/10 9:18 AM
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Saw some big KO's at Strike Force
12/6/10 10:01 AM
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Duke Roufus - Saw some big KO's at Strike Force

How do you rate Mr Daley's striking for MMA? Is he up there with the best in your mind?

And what about Lawler?

And then you have Hendo, who can put fools to sleep with that overhand right, but doesn't have a great deal more in his boxing reportoire?
12/6/10 1:59 PM
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TTT for a great thread & Duke's comments.  It's threads like these that make me want to get back into training MA/MMA again.
12/7/10 12:40 AM
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12/7/10 10:00 AM
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Duke Roufus - Saw some big KO's at Strike Force

How do you rate Mr Daley's striking for MMA? Is he up there with the best in your mind?

And what about Lawler?

And then you have Hendo, who can put fools to sleep with that overhand right, but doesn't have a great deal more in his boxing reportoire?


Daley is sharp with his hands. He has one of the best lefthooks in the biz.

We used to bring fighters don to Miletich to spar & Robbie did great at Kickboxing sparring. He is very under rated.

Hendo is smart, he takes what works & keeps doing it!
12/8/10 9:58 AM
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TotalFightSource - Favorite MMA striker = Duane BANG Ludwig. He wins some, he loses some but he has great technique. Very clean striking.


I trained for K-1 with Duane. He is awesome & great guy!
12/12/10 11:41 AM
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Any striking observations after UFC 124?
12/12/10 11:57 AM
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Mac Danzig with good step back left hook. Would like to see more fighters learn to hit stepping backwards. Thiago Alves combos were a thing of beauty. Really enjoy seeing fluid striking that punishes the entire body, not just head hunting. He was even throwing combos in guard. Yours?
12/12/10 12:09 PM
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I would hope that one day the casual fan would learn to appreciate the striking of Gsp,machida and silva,especially when they go the distance and have to win a decision based on using strategy. Boxing fans understand and appreciate technical decision wins,while mma fans automatically assume that a fighter failed miserably and therefore has to create a thousand Gsp boring threads. Phone Post
12/12/10 7:01 PM
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 In the GSP fight, from the 3rd round on, I was hoping GSP would start throwing some body kicks from his lead left leg.  Every time GSP planted to throw something, Kos would raise his hand to protect the eye.  But Georges just kept up with the jab and inside leg kick.  Would have been nice if he could have hurt Kos to the body to open up some shots up top. 

It was a great example of how a power jab can be so effective in MMA, yet it is rarely put to such good use. 
12/12/10 8:31 PM
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DUKE:

What do you think was holding GSP back from stepping it up vs Kos? Im not one of the GSP haters, im one of his biggest fans but was still frustrated in him not doing more against a clearly outclassed and visually impaired opponent.

Specifically, he let a few right straight and left hooks go and had some moderate success with them. He found the jab all night, why not at least some more right straights to go along with those?

He did pretty good with his kicks though not the chop like Alves (though that's Alves' best weapon).

On that note, how do you see Alves style vs someone like Daley?

And..............any thoughts about the K1 finals?

12/12/10 8:33 PM
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Newaza freak - I would hope that one day the casual fan would learn to appreciate the striking of Gsp,machida and silva,especially when they go the distance and have to win a decision based on using strategy. Boxing fans understand and appreciate technical decision wins,while mma fans automatically assume that a fighter failed miserably and therefore has to create a thousand Gsp boring threads. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Yup.

Boxing fans appreciate boxing for boxing.

MMA fans have much too high of expectations for "action," "damage," bangin, etc.

That said, i think its fair to have wanted to see more from GSP. Yes, his jab was masterful. BUT....and i say this as one of his biggest fans...it appeared like he could have done so much more.

Even Machida is starting to irritate somewhat. I love his style but he was just far too passive against Rampage for the first 2 rounds. Yes, i love technical countering but running or moving out of the way without countering is not countering. Same with Nam/Garcia. Both Machida and Nam did too much getting out of the way and not enough countering imo.

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