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10/25/10 4:07 AM
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Ben talks about his title fight last Thursday and says he wasn't happy with his performance, he also says that Lyman Good was fighting dirty and eye gouging him a bunch. He breaks down his fight and talks about where he needs to improve, check it out:

http://www.flowrestling.org/videos/play/361773


10/25/10 6:22 AM
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i guess that's why ref kevin mulhall warned askren to stop eye-gouging lyman.
10/25/10 6:30 AM
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Askren was boring as shit.
10/25/10 8:38 AM
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Bentleysuper8 - Askren was boring as shit.



Wrong. Askren WORKED Lyman. I actually picked Lyman going in but he was WORKED.
10/25/10 8:53 AM
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 If boring is taking someone down, getting hit from every angle, and advancing to dominant position over and over and over and over and over, then yeah, Ben was boring. 
10/25/10 9:22 AM
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thforklift -  If boring is taking someone down, getting hit from every angle, and advancing to dominant position over and over and over and over and over, then yeah, Ben was boring. 
This. 

Askren is always moving forward for better position and DOMINATES.  Very boring.
 
10/25/10 9:26 AM
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thforklift -  If boring is taking someone down, getting hit from every angle, and advancing to dominant position over and over and over and over and over, then yeah, Ben was boring. 

Askren is just an more exciting version of lay 'n pray. Sure, he is active but you know he ain't trying to finish for shit.
10/25/10 9:29 AM
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 epwar .... He was trying for an arm triagle, the only submission that would have allowed him to stay in mount. What he needs is to improve his GNP.

He is still very new to MMA and already a champion, give him time. He has the same toolset as shields and fitch but is more active.
10/25/10 9:33 AM
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One sub attempt in 25 minutes? Positively thrilling!
10/25/10 10:30 AM
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10/25/10 12:28 PM
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not sure what you consider exciting but askren is not. yes he is an excellent wrestler and he is good at getting dominant positions...but to me that is not exciting. effective absolutely - exciting no. he attempted maybe 2 or 3 subs over the course of the fight...not many for have that mount as much as he did. he wins decisions by getting to good positions. good did more damage and shoudl have finished him in that triangle. rather pay to see good fight than askren but thats my opinion. give ben another year or so of training. he's still green.
10/25/10 12:32 PM
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PureBader - Ben talks about his title fight last Thursday and says he wasn't happy with his performance, he also says that Lyman Good was fighting dirty and eye gouging him a bunch. He breaks down his fight and talks about where he needs to improve, check it out:

http://www.flowrestling.org/videos/play/361773



 At least he had the decency to say he wasn't happy with his performance.
I don't see how a guy has mount that much and didn't really do anything.

10/25/10 12:33 PM
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thforklift -  If boring is taking someone down, getting hit from every angle, and advancing to dominant position over and over and over and over and over, then yeah, Ben was boring. 

 Exactly, over and over and over with no attempts to end the fight.
10/25/10 12:41 PM
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lmao at the crybabies whining about the fight being boring

ben did exactly what you're supposed to do...get and maintain position and wear your opp down with punches and short elbows from the mount

with 30 secs left in the round is the time to bring the powerful elbows or go for the sub and risk losing postion...easier said than done against lyman

lyman was champ because the dude knows how to fight...he did a great job from his back and defending...lyman's skillset and ben still being an mma rookie are the reasons ben did not finish the fight

what's so amazing is everyone knows ben's game...he tells everyone what he's gonna do before the fight...and noone can stop him

give ben another year or two solid mma/bjj training and ben beats gsp
10/25/10 12:52 PM
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bjjdna - lmao at the crybabies whining about the fight being boring

ben did exactly what you're supposed to do...get and maintain position and wear your opp down with punches and short elbows from the mount

with 30 secs left in the round is the time to bring the powerful elbows or go for the sub and risk losing postion...easier said than done against lyman

lyman was champ because the dude knows how to fight...he did a great job from his back and defending...lyman's skillset and ben still being an mma rookie are the reasons ben did not finish the fight

what's so amazing is everyone knows ben's game...he tells everyone what he's gonna do before the fight...and noone can stop him

give ben another year or two solid mma/bjj training and ben beats gsp



He did do exactly what you're suppose to do,
other than that whole finish the fight part.
10/25/10 12:54 PM
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Guys like Ben and Jake Shields play it safe and instead of going for serious GnP they pitty-pat out of fear of losting position.

There is so much stalling in MMA right now it is fucking ABSURD.............ANY good wrestler can some in, game the sorry-ass ruleset and "win" a bunch of fights by keeping dominant position. If that was how MMA started out in UFC 1 ab-sol-fucking-lutely NO ONE would be watching it today.....................................bet on it.....it would be on the same channel as "Real Pro Wrestling"...................
10/25/10 12:57 PM
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Hes the new good position = win type of fighter, but at least it was a free card!
10/25/10 1:07 PM
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lmao

ben was not stalling...he was trying to win/finish the fight...lyman is just very skilled and ben is still a rookie

you guys whining because ben did not give you a boner can run back and watch your fake ass wwf

and if you wanna stop the wrestler's game then learn how to fucking wrestle...if not you gonna get beat down
10/25/10 1:12 PM
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siouxNYC - i guess that's why ref kevin mulhall warned askren to stop eye-gouging lyman.


There was no gouge - Mulhall said "watch the fingers in the eyes", when Good tried to sit up from under the mount and Askren put both hands on Good's forehead and pushed him down.
10/25/10 1:17 PM
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bjjdna - lmao

ben was not stalling...he was trying to win/finish the fight...lyman is just very skilled and ben is still a rookie

you guys whining because ben did not give you a boner can run back and watch your fake ass wwf

and if you wanna stop the wrestler's game then learn how to fucking wrestle...if not you gonna get beat down
If by beat down you mean ridden to a decision?


 
10/25/10 1:21 PM
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bjjdna - lmao

ben was not stalling...he was trying to win/finish the fight...lyman is just very skilled and ben is still a rookie

you guys whining because ben did not give you a boner can run back and watch your fake ass wwf

and if you wanna stop the wrestler's game then learn how to fucking wrestle...if not you gonna get beat down
If by beat down you mean ridden to a decision?


 



no...what i mean by beat down is getting dominated via superior unstoppable grappling technique

td, jitz, scrambles, position, and striking from the mount

you know...what's happened in everyone of askren's fights so far
10/25/10 1:40 PM
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I dont think Askren will ever have real strong GnP. Just doesnt have the pop, and no amount of training will change that.

He should GnP to open up and flow to the sub game which he looks to be trying to do but just is not there yet.

I do like watching his wrestling however.
10/25/10 1:47 PM
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MrWhitey - I'm very sorry to all you pussy wrestlers that seem to think laying on someone constitutes beating them, but anyone who is unable to finish another person from full mount should not ever be referred to as a fighter. That was the lamest display I have ever seen. Good wrestling and position to be sure, but absolutely useless at fighting.





"absolutely useless at fighting"

lmao...good wrestling and position are "uselss at fighting" huh?...yea right...until you have a wrestler on top of you beating your ass down

never mind all the technique to get and maintain the mount...never mind devoting a lifetime to being the best at wrestling...never mind the fact that lyman was undefeated champ...never mind lyman was dominated the entire fight...etc etc

yea ben is "absolutely useless at fighting"
10/25/10 1:53 PM
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 Askren via ATM over most of the UG and the OG for that matter FACT!
10/25/10 2:05 PM
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Haulport - Guys like Ben and Jake Shields play it safe and instead of going for serious GnP they pitty-pat out of fear of losting position.

There is so much stalling in MMA right now it is fucking ABSURD.............ANY good wrestler can some in, game the sorry-ass ruleset and "win" a bunch of fights by keeping dominant position. If that was how MMA started out in UFC 1 ab-sol-fucking-lutely <b>NO ONE </b>would be watching it today.....................................bet on it.....it would be on the same channel as "Real Pro Wrestling"...................

You are a fat idiot...Shields never stalls...he softens people up and submits them...

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