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11/26/10 9:46 AM
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Shawn Tompkins hopes to establish himself as a premier coach in the sport of boxing as well as Mixed Martial Arts.

The Team Tompkins head is now the lead trainer for professional boxer Ramon Montano (17-8-2), and Tompkins will oversee the 28-year-old as he takes on undefeated prospect Jesse Vargas (12-0) on Dec. 11 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas.

"I feel like in the boxing world, the only guys that are getting trained right are the elite guys," Tompkins told MMAjunkie.com. "The rest of the guys, if you go to a boxing gym, it's a different atmosphere than an MMA gym. The only guys that get attention are either title-bound or in the top 10. The rest of the guys get pushed aside. The rest of the guys aren't getting strength and conditioning, getting sprint work, getting actual padwork and getting the right sparring partners, unless they're the Manny Pacquaios and the Floyd Mayweathers and Amir Khans.

"I have the chance, since I'm not a boxing gym and a boxing coach, to put together a real camp for him, and we're going to go out, and we're going to test the waters on Dec. 11."

"I'm not just doing this the way a boxing coach will jump in MMA for one fight. I want to be involved in boxing. I don't think one is better than the other. I believe there's room for both, and I think there's a lot of people out there that agree with me and want to see both."

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11/26/10 9:53 AM
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I want to be involved in porn.
11/26/10 10:20 AM
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 I think that's cool actually.

Hope things work out.

...for the power bottom as well.  Everybody should have goals.
11/26/10 10:48 AM
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I hope it works out. Phone Post
11/26/10 11:15 AM
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11/26/10 11:53 AM
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Looking forward for his team at Golden Gloves and Silver Gloves competition! Unless I misread and he only plans on training pro's and not developing prospects.

I don't understand this part and I am sure he meant no disrespect to the many great coaches in the Boxing world "I have the chance, since I'm not a boxing gym and a boxing coach, to put together a real camp for him..." 

He has a HUGE task ahead of him in this upcoming match! Good luck but I will be pulling for Jesse Vargas
11/26/10 12:28 PM
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Shawn works hard at everything he does. I am sure this will be no different.
11/26/10 3:21 PM
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 LOL, no disrespect at all Slipperypescado. I also have 36 pro MMA fighters as well, so really its all a matter of time available.
Jesse Vargas is a great fighter and comes from one of the Best camps in the Boxing World. But, I also never got into this business to lose.

Thanks for the support guys, this is gonna be a great experience..
11/26/10 3:51 PM
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 I've recently wondered what would happen if boxers got similar conditioning training camps to MMA fight camps, for the reasons he mentioned.
he's also right about no attention being paid to you unless you're a prospect.
Same thing happens in Muay Thai gyms.

interesting to see if he has any success.
11/26/10 4:10 PM
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Please teach footwork, too often I see so many mistakes with this. And I believe good footwork can swing a fight. Always happy to see a good coach progress ! Phone Post
11/26/10 7:04 PM
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 Thanks guys. I will give it a Great effort!!!
11/26/10 7:29 PM
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K-Dub-"T" -  I've recently wondered what would happen if boxers got similar conditioning training camps to MMA fight camps, for the reasons he mentioned.
he's also right about no attention being paid to you unless you're a prospect.
Same thing happens in Muay Thai gyms.

interesting to see if he has any success.
A lot of times its because the contenders and top flight fighters prove they are willing to train hard and don't fuck around.

At least from what I've seen.  Lots of guys come out and say they wanna train hard, etc....but not a lot of them actually do it.
 
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I usually don’t agree with Tompkins at all. I really don’t like him or Erik Paulson as trainers. But I do agree with him that in boxing gyms one can be pushed aside, and won’t get proper training. I agree with the statement in Muay Thai gyms as well. I really haven’t been in Muay Thai gyms a lot, but the few that I have been in, I have noticed that myself. <br /><br />The reason people get pushed aside in boxing gyms is because of speed differences. You can be a great athlete with fast feet, and jump out of a basketball gym, and lift a thousand pounds on the bench; but have terrible boxing coordination and have success in MMA. The training in boxing and MMA are completely different. In MMA you have to have more Bruit weightlifting type of strength. Boxing is leaner explosion through the shoulders, back, and arms. In MMA you have to be more versatile with your legs for couple reasons. Wrestling explosion muscles through the hips, thighs, gluts, calfs are way different than boxing. Plus in MMA you have to have great stamina in the legs for guard and Kicking. Boxing requires a lot of cross country type of running because you are always on your feet. Any fat or heavy muscle can slow you down tremendously in boxing. MMA more muscle is better because you can man-handle your opponent to the canvas or up against the cage. Boxing is more throwing/pushing muscle, and MMA is pulling muscles do to limb pulling. Boxing Road work can become very monotonous because you can do the same ten drills and still never get the coordination! That movement is natural and can only be tweaked a little bit. In wrestling you can train two ways. If you are fast and explosive you can train and execute takedowns in your benefit (Sonnen). If one is slow you can train to be a strong work horse, and work on sprawling, grip strength, and most important technique for body positioning. In boxing if you are slow you can only do one thing, and that is being a heavy-bag. You can learn to bury your head into a guy’s chest and land one punch to the other guy’s thousand punches. It’s not an easy thing to do though. Those type of guys in boxing either quit or end up with brain damage. Boxing is like a game of chess. One stupid mistake and you will be knocked-out. In MMA you can always run or stand someone up, and work things to your advantage do to all the other aspects. This is why MMA is true fighting compared to individual combat sports such as wrestling and boxing. The better MMA fighters tend to come from gyms that blend combination of all the styles as best as they can. Gyms like Jacksons, AKA, ATT, Xtreme Couture and, Nog brothers. MMA you don’t have to be a technician in all aspects you just need to know a little bit more than the basics in the different aspects. Boxing, wrestling, jui jitsu, muay thai all require more technicality as individuals than they do in MMA.

Shawn Tompkins has been TKOed four times in MMA if I’m not mistaken. Boxing requires a lot of years to acquire certain knowledge. Something I have learned though you don’t have to be a great fighter to be a good trainer. I hope it works out for him. It is very difficult task what he is doing. Being a younger guy going up against some veterans in boxing world is crazy. Also not to mention the ten promoters that controls the game.

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11/30/10 2:34 AM
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TheCoach -  Thanks guys. I will give it a Great effort!!!


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