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12/6/10 6:01 PM
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If you actually re-read what I have written, I haven't placed blame with anyone, merely that an error occurred and can it be fixed please. The administrational error at the end of the day was with us. But I still fail to see why it can't be rectified.

Yep AJJA all registered correctly. They are 3 academies. We probably had over 10 academies and since it's a new way of registering the head coaches were unaware of the situation.

The mistake won't be repeated.
12/6/10 6:09 PM
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It should be rectified BUT it WON'T be and we all know why... Truth hurts Moles... Phone Post
12/6/10 6:31 PM
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DMMA - If you actually re-read what I have written, I haven't placed blame with anyone, merely that an error occurred and can it be fixed please. The administrational error at the end of the day was with us. But I still fail to see why it can't be rectified.

Yep AJJA all registered correctly. They are 3 academies. We probably had over 10 academies and since it's a new way of registering the head coaches were unaware of the situation.

The mistake won't be repeated.

Sinosic/Perosh had a separate points listing in the 2008 and 2009 pan pacs results. This was prior to the new registration system.
12/6/10 6:37 PM
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DIMA - It should be rectified BUT it WON'T be and we all know why...Truth hurts Moles... <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

Cause Pete will do whatever is necessary including manipulating the scores in order to ensure his team comes first right?

12/6/10 7:38 PM
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Well y else wouldn't he change them... The bloke has told u it was an error... Just have it changed like u would if it was a PDB... Stop stealing gold medals that don't belong to you guys mate... Phone Post
12/6/10 8:01 PM
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This is a very controversial topic to say the least and it's only in our nature to stick up for our own respective coaches.In saying,their are a lot off non Peter de been affiliates and competitors disgruntled at the way the pan pacs have been going over the years.Weather or not the ones in charge have the desire to change results or not there are some cold hard facts that need to be addressed.I myself would like to see the level of reefing lifted.I mean I'm not sure what Pete makes and don't really care but each year the cost rises the numbers rise and the number off days you need to allocate to have off work so you can compete rises also.All I'm saying is can the level of ref rise with everything else cause it seems to be stagnant and has been for some time.If Pete is making enough in overheads etc is it possible to pay for decent experienced refs?And I'm not having a dig at Angus Friend I personally don't know the guy but I would hope and I think he is doing his best.Ps I know a lot off competitors are unfamiliar with the rules themselves but it's up-to you and your coaches training peers etc to be familiar it's at your own advantage.Nothing to do with the thread at hand sorry. Phone Post
12/6/10 8:17 PM
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Blasphemy!!! How dare you speak out against the PDB regime!! His disciples on here will crucify you... The Pan Pacs were perfect!! Referee was perfect! The cost was very good ( too cheap I heard some people say!!) Phone Post
12/6/10 8:53 PM
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tomy koia - "This is a very controversial topic to say the least and it's only in our nature to stick up for our own respective coaches.In saying,their are a lot off non Peter de been affiliates and competitors disgruntled at the way the pan pacs have been going over the years.Weather or not the ones in charge have the desire to change results or not there are some cold hard facts that need to be addressed.I myself would like to see the level of reefing lifted.I mean I'm not sure what Pete makes and don't really care but each year the cost rises the numbers rise and the number off days you need to allocate to have off work so you can compete rises also.All I'm saying is can the level of ref rise with everything else cause it seems to be stagnant and has been for some time.If Pete is making enough in overheads etc is it possible to pay for decent experienced refs?And I'm not having a dig at Angus Friend I personally don't know the guy but I would hope and I think he is doing his best.Ps I know a lot off competitors are unfamiliar with the rules themselves but it's up-to you and your coaches training peers etc to be familiar it's at your own advantage.Nothing to do with the thread at hand sorry."

A couple of the refs in the past have been appalling. I was under the impression that this pan pacs had much more experienced people reffing. Still, a lot of people who carry on from the sidelines don't understand the rules properly.

Things like takedowns, points are apparently awarded if the opponents arse hits the ground. Yet often when this happens, and the guys arse hits the ground for a just for a second and he gets straight back up, people go off their faces screaming at the ref because he awarded points. In a sense it doesn't look like a takedown because he didn't really get taken down fully, but according to the rules points are to be awarded.
12/7/10 12:26 AM
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Results STILL have not been changed! I think Cam may aswell give up... Unfortunate really. Also very unfortunate Moles is so one eyed and can't see the truth. Phone Post
12/7/10 8:38 AM
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I addressed the issue of Sinisoc/Perosh. They were unaware and are cancelling their AFBJJ membership so that they will be included under the Will/Machado banner..

Reffing will always be a controversial issue. But I did see a guy go for an armbar on the mount, the guy underneath defended and got to his knees ending up in the guard...he got 2 points for the sweep :(
12/7/10 5:13 PM
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Yeah, heard about the white belt reffing, thats mad that he was ALLOWED to.

Also some other notables, saw two guys choked completely out with refs oblivious, one guy using a head and arm to snap someone down got disqualified for "neck cranking" after he'd just had his shorts deemed "in breach of regs" and had to pay $$ for a set on the spot just so he could get on the mat(saw many others who's garb breached the rules but didn't get pulled, hmmm) and most hilariously the guy who got told he tapped when he did a breakfall.
12/7/10 11:30 PM
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So Pete if you ever get the chance to read this or one off your guys passes the message on,How would you feel paying that entry fee to be disqualified by a ref with no idea?I know how I would feel NOT HAPPY JAN!Please try to tighten up the ref situation? Phone Post
12/8/10 1:59 AM
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Proper Prior Planning Prevents Predictable Pan Pacs Points Problems Plus Promoter's Players Preferred Primary Place Prevailing.
12/8/10 4:05 PM
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Moles's head has exploded from all the criticism of his beloved Pan Pacs and his beloved PDB!! And the results still haven't been changed!! It's clearly a circus being run by monkeys... I find the post about people being made to purchase shorts in order to compete very funny... It is clearly a cash grab deal with KORAL and PDB... NO GI ran absolutely fine the last few years without the new dictatorship on uniforms... Phone Post
12/10/10 4:06 PM
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Then perhaps we should just leave it and not attempt to improve anything from now on so whitebelt keyboard warriors, who have never run/organized a comp that wasn't run in their mums basement, have something to whinge anonymously about?

DIMA, Nowhere was it stated that you had to purchase koral rash guards. You are entitled to your opinion yes but avoid making those sorts of statements it makes you look really stupid. As for the other issue, corrections were made and unfortunately for Cam and the Will/machado organization they came up short. Bad luck but don't suggest that Peter would deliberately change the results so his team wins. That is a very big statement that is borderline slanderous. Bringing someones character and integrity into question is poor form. I'm sure ghat in light of what Cam and the rest now know it will not happen again. I for one am looking forward to next years event, it should be a great contest!

I do have a question for Cam though about Hybrid Training Centre in Hobart, they are not listed as affiliates on the machado/Bjj Australia website. Are they an individual club or are they an affiliate club? Apparently they mentioned that they weren't. Can you clarify?
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12/10/10 11:52 PM
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If people are serious about improving things, they might wanna start with the reffing. My matches were all reffed reasonably well, ref missed a few little things but nothing noteworthy, but I saw some absolute howlers of decisions/fuckups over the weekend.

Mind you, I suppose I am only an "anonymous whitebelt" so my opinions probably not valid.
12/11/10 12:41 AM
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Just go old school and constantly storm each others Dojitso's in an eternal battle to hold the trophy
12/11/10 2:21 AM
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4 Fingers!! welcome to the party... your obviously another one of the disciples that practices BLIND FAITH!!

Firstly... Im not posting here as an anonymous whitebelt... my name is DIMA... unlike yourself I dont mind sharing my name and opinion at the sametime... it seems everytime someone new to the BJJ game posts here... yourself and the other so called veterans of the game dismiss opinions as Whitebelt...
Just curious... what rank do i need to get before I can actually have an opinion?

Secondly... I have succesfully run many businesses, aswell as sporting clubs and many large sporting competitions so I believe I am more than qualified on the subject... I will not get stuck into your mum like you did mine... we will leave your mums basement out of this :)


Thirdly... you obviously are a major player in the organisation of the PAN PACS jusging from your earlier statements... so tell me HOW DID YOU IMPROVE IT THIS YEAR??
Did it improve by making it more expensive??
Did it improve by hiring a 2 month whitebelt?? Surely if a whitebelt cant post on here he cant be fit to referee??

Also out of curiosity... some people were told there NO GI outfits werent acceptable and they had to purchase other stuff on the spot... WHAT BRAND WAS THE STUFF AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE ON THE SPOT? Was there a variety... or was it KORAL??

FOURTHLY... Corrections werent made... the tally is still exactly the same as it was when it was first realeased...
Im not sure where you were looking champ but from my point of view ( AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLES) it would appear that the points have not been added. DMMA stated that it would take his team to 350 points... what adjustments were made... was his claims dismissed?? was that the adjustment??DMMA stated that all 4 academies had been spoken to and they had all stated that they were under the banner... was he lying? were the academies lying? Were you lying?? Im curious WHY they cant be adjusted... is it too much trouble... has PDB computer blown up and the files have been lost?
I am not "slandering PDB" i just dont understand why results cant be corrected... regardless of whose error it is? seems a little bit petty refusing to doesnt it??


12/11/10 2:24 AM
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BUT then again I am just a whitebelt so what would I know...

I deeply apologise for having an opinion... I realise it is not valid until i have trained for a minimum of 25 years...
12/11/10 2:25 AM
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ken amtrack - Just go old school and constantly storm each others Dojitso's in an eternal battle to hold the trophy



This would be awesome... I move we scrap the PAN PACS and just storm Dojo's instead!!!
12/11/10 3:40 AM
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^^^Thinking reality show or at least internet sensations...start a new fed lets do this
12/11/10 5:28 AM
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The DSF (dojo stormers federation) Phone Post
12/12/10 1:19 AM
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I'm am so totally in...we can tag dojo's we are about to storm in the preceding weeks for reasons best explained by the words Steven Segal in the classic Hard to Kill being "The anticipation of Dojo storming is far worse than Dojo storming itself"...probably loses a bit in the translation...whatever...we will also distinguish ourselves in these battles by slapping the our opponent with a perfumed and powdered leather kid glove to draw the best spirit from our opponent..."DSF" bitches you know you fear us...BTW is there a way of storming only the white belt students of a particular Dojo without necessarily bothering the blue to black belts and more particularly the participating MMA students
12/12/10 1:36 AM
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Im just gonna put it out there... but i think we should where capes when we are storming dojo's... not just normal capes but the ones with hoods on them...

We could also spray paint DSF on our victims... much like the NWO did during the WCW reign in the late 90's
12/12/10 1:48 AM
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We could call them Super fight's...whatever that is...no even better..."Super Duper fight's" that would carry more weight on the intermernets

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