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12/7/10 2:58 PM
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Checkout this video provided by Chris Gerhardt of Title MMA.

This fight took place at the Tachi Palace on December the 2nd. Watch as Tim McKenzie goes for the armbar. If you watch closely at the :25 mark, you will see Seth Baczynski will tap on Tim's chest, and verbally say "TAP" causing McKenzie to release his armbar. Seth Baczynski, then unloads on McKenzie causing the referee to call a stop to the fight. Tim McKenzie is officially appealing the outcome of this fight.

http://cageradio.com/?p=18440
12/7/10 3:00 PM
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I also found it fishy how Tim let go of the armbar so he didn't hurt the arm more, and the ref didn't stop it, then Seth unloads on Tim.
12/7/10 4:12 PM
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 This makes no sense. Why would he tap after he had already got himself out of trouble? In real time it doesn't look like a tap at all, just his hand adjusting as McKenzie leans back.
12/7/10 4:15 PM
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12/7/10 4:17 PM
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 Damn Homeboy TAPPED!!!
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12/7/10 4:20 PM
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@smoogy read his lips...he yells TAP and he taps...I was all drunk after the fights, so I vaguely remember him telling us about this. You can clearly see it now, or am I still drunk?

Out,

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12/7/10 4:35 PM
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So, let me get this straight. The judge doesn't stop the fight but Seth is supposed to stop, get up and explain the situation to the ref? If the ref doesn't stop the fight, then you keep fighting. I'm not disputing the taps, though I can't comfirm if at the point of the taps he was already out of the armbar or what. But to call someone a cheater? What would you have had Seth do?
12/7/10 4:45 PM
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IvanHannelAZ - So, let me get this straight. The judge doesn't stop the fight but Seth is supposed to stop, get up and explain the situation to the ref? If the ref doesn't stop the fight, then you keep fighting. I'm not disputing the taps, though I can't comfirm if at the point of the taps he was already out of the armbar or what. But to call someone a cheater? What would you have had Seth do?

You're goddamned right Seth should have explained the situation to the ref. He tapped out - physically and verbally. That's a volitional act signifying that he has conceded the fight to his opponent. When Tim let go of the hold in response, there is absolutely no justification for Seth to keep fighting, whether the ref saw the tap or not.
12/7/10 4:45 PM
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I am a fan of mckenzies but this doesn't look like a tap to me. Hold it until the ref stops it. Phone Post
12/7/10 6:25 PM
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smoogy -  This makes no sense. Why would he tap after he had already got himself out of trouble? In real time it doesn't look like a tap at all, just his hand adjusting as McKenzie leans back.



Didn't he break Seth's arm. When the arm breaks and the guy taps on your chest, the decent thing to do is stop. Doesn't matter though if he kept cranking on it, people would probably persecute him anyway saying he should have stopped. No win situation.
12/7/10 7:21 PM
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How does Rosenthal miss the tap, verbal tap, and arm breaking?
12/7/10 7:34 PM
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Yeah. It's a tap. But saying he's a cheater is bullshit. He's in a fight. He gets out and drops bows. Sure he coulda also got up and said it was a tap but not doing so doesn't make him a cheater or dirty. It's just heat of the moment. Thats the refs job. It IS a tap but look how soon after his elbows are coming down. He probably doesnt remember tapping either with all that went on. Phone Post
12/7/10 7:40 PM
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MoBeffah - Yeah. It's a tap. But saying he's a cheater is bullshit. He's in a fight. He gets out and drops bows. Sure he coulda also got up and said it was a tap but not doing so doesn't make him a cheater or dirty. It's just heat of the moment. Thats the refs job. It IS a tap but look how soon after his elbows are coming down. He probably doesnt remember tapping either with all that went on. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


You seem to be missing the point. Tapping out in two different ways and then continuing to fight is indeed cheating.
12/7/10 7:42 PM
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REMATCH!!! Phone Post
12/7/10 7:44 PM
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he tapped.

rule this a no contest and give tim his win money.
12/7/10 7:45 PM
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This guy took lessons on how to Brazilian tap from Chael Sonnen.
12/7/10 7:46 PM
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lol @ Brazilian tap..
12/7/10 7:56 PM
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 yep, verbal and physical tap for sure, tough loss...
12/7/10 8:06 PM
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Monsters Ball - Only the referee can stop the fight. If you let go of a sub you are to blame if you lose. Wait for the ref.

and still, Seth should be censured. This practice needs to be discouraged and should be on the list of fouls instead of only possibly and vaguely under rules 29 or 31.
12/7/10 8:13 PM
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So...no one here has commented on how the arm actually breaks(pops) clearly out of place. Then he was just moving seth's arm and it seemed to cause so much pain that he tapped. It looks to me that he, seth, realized how jacked it was when tim just moved it around and he did say "tap" and he DID w/o a doubt tap on his chest. Plain as day, it popped out of place. No doubt whatsoever. Plain as day, he tapped. Plain as day, the ref is completely stupid for not- 1. noticing the arm popped out, 2. seeing the tap, and 3. hearing the verbal submission. And just in case you need help seeing the pop, it was at the 22 second mark. He deserves it to be reversed, unfortunately the best the incompetent committee would do for him is change it to a n/c. Another bs situation that will be handled completely wrong by the idiotic governing body that is handling our beloved sport!!!
12/7/10 8:16 PM
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Guy is a cheating piece of shit.
12/7/10 8:16 PM
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BS!!!
12/7/10 8:22 PM
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MoBeffah - Yeah. It's a tap. But saying he's a cheater is bullshit. He's in a fight. He gets out and drops bows. Sure he coulda also got up and said it was a tap but not doing so doesn't make him a cheater or dirty. It's just heat of the moment. Thats the refs job. It IS a tap but look how soon after his elbows are coming down. He probably doesnt remember tapping either with all that went on. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


How many fights does someone have to be in were their honor
is questioned b4 they r labeled a cheater?


He has NO honor and he IS a cheat. Period!!!!! and that coupled with the incompetence of the ref makes for one big fat pile of dog$#!t. And if you r someone that would do what he did, so are you! And heat of the moment my ass, he had a second to think about it and he knew what he was doing. His arm was so jacked that he couldn't even lift it to drop elbows, hammerfists, or give him a little hug after the fight.
12/7/10 8:51 PM
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 Is it just me, or does he yell, "Tap!" at 0:29?


12/7/10 8:57 PM
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Wow, what a fucking bitch Seth is.

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