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12/14/10 10:59 PM
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VectorWega
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wreckker -  Andre details are so far off its not even the same kind of hand!


Calf for brains!

easy call

 LoL yeah.  completely different.  To me, I would fold the AK in the original scenario because if he wants to come after me I'll play some Phil Hellmuth trapping poker and I would think too often you are flipping there or he could have two live cards.  That being said, I mainly play SNGs and cash games so take that with a grain of salt.  The actual hand that happened is an easy call.
12/15/10 3:12 PM
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No Wega, it's still an easy call.
12/15/10 6:02 PM
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PR - No Wega, it's still an easy call.

It's also an easy fold that really costs you very little equity to make.  Would this be an easy call if Andre's tournament life was at stake?  I certainly agree that in nearly all hands Andre is either ahead or in a coinflip.  I also agree that overall this is a profitable call to make.
12/15/10 6:35 PM
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PR and Vector,

Can you tell me a bit about my thinking on the "fictitious" hand I described in the OP?

Also, my read on an overshove, with those stack sizes...do you think I'm making sense, or am I missing a key point?

Thanks!
12/17/10 12:23 AM
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Well you said he made several bad plays. Clearly shoving 40bb over a 2.5bb raise is bad too. I hesitate there because sometimes people just do that with AA/KK hoping some one calls them. But because you've identified that the guy is clearly terrible. You call.

Don't forget that winning this guy's chips is basically a race between you and the good players at the table. And if you get his chips, it will give you a bigeger stack such that you can use those chips to turn them into more chips in future hands. ie. you can take spots which are +EV because you aren't as constricted by a smaller stack size.

If you aren't that confident, like if this was an unknown player, just fold and move on.
12/18/10 2:48 PM
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Edited: 12/18/10 2:50 PM
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Thanks PR. Glad to see my thinking isn't that polemical as my other plays. Lol

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