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1/13/14 10:50 AM
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BriggsSeekins
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Shoco-Got it.

Dirty Dick-I sent you a message. I will be happy to talk to Mr. Oliveira and hopefully we can get his name untangled from this stuff.

I have an entire list of lies Dave Lang was telling in 2010 and Hermes Franca was never even a name I heard come out of his mouth back then.

I am a combat sports writer with paying gigs and my work appears on a number of very high profile websites. I wouldn't be risking my professional reputation writing this story on Lang if I didn't know he was a complete fraud. If Mr. Oliveira has somehow been enticed or conned into associating with this fraud he needs to know about his history as soon as possible.
1/13/14 10:54 AM
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Dirty Dick Slater
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sent his number too you. I told him you would be calling.
1/13/14 10:58 AM
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Dirty Dick Slater - hey pete my phone is ********* man i really upset with that i'm called David he said all of this was because he stands by hermes franca side when hermes had his problem with the justice got caugh by sex abuse
but i wanna know the truth
Oh shit he wants answers! Phone Post 3.0
1/13/14 10:58 AM
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Dirty Dick Slater - Oliveria said he called David and David said people are only saying that stuff about him because he stood by Hermes Franca. No fucking clue what that has to do with anything. I have Oliveria's number if someone wants to PM me.

So he is vouching for him?  fuck these BBs that put so little effort into screening these frauds are starting to look really bad.

1/13/14 11:00 AM
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No, he wants the truth. He feels terrible that he trusted the guy.
1/13/14 11:01 AM
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The Green Bastard - 
Dirty Dick Slater - Oliveria said he called David and David said people are only saying that stuff about him because he stood by Hermes Franca. No fucking clue what that has to do with anything. I have Oliveria's number if someone wants to PM me.

So he is vouching for him?  fuck these BBs that put so little effort into screening these frauds are starting to look really bad.


Oliveria said when he called Lang that Lang said people were only saying these things because he stood by Franca. Oliveria really wants to talk to Briggs and hear the truth
1/13/14 11:03 AM
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Dirty Dick Slater - No, he wants the truth. He feels terrible that he trusted the guy.

Didn't he give him a stripe?  If so isn't that 100 percent vouching for him?

1/13/14 11:04 AM
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The Green Bastard - 
Dirty Dick Slater - No, he wants the truth. He feels terrible that he trusted the guy.

Didn't he give him a stripe?  If so isn't that 100 percent vouching for him?


Just pipe down right now. It is being handled
1/13/14 11:10 AM
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I will talk to him as soon as I can today. It might be after one or so.

Lang is a manipulative sociopathaic liar. There may have been a lapse of judgement here on Mr. Oliveira's part, but that is the very most anybody should be speculating at this point. Lang has a history of conning lots of different people. The general open, friendly atmosphere of the BJJ and MMA communities is a thing he has been exploiting for his benefit for a long, long time.
1/13/14 11:36 AM
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Dirty Dick Slater - 
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Dirty Dick Slater - No, he wants the truth. He feels terrible that he trusted the guy.

Didn't he give him a stripe?  If so isn't that 100 percent vouching for him?


Just pipe down right now. It is being handled

well did he or didn't he give him the stripe??  If so just LOL, lets overlook the fact that he gave a complete fraud that isn't even at a blue belt level a third degree stripe.

1/13/14 11:47 AM
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How do you vouch for someone's BJJ proficiency without ever rolling with them?

If they did roll....just LOL!
1/13/14 11:50 AM
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AlcoholicA - How do you vouch for someone's BJJ proficiency without ever rolling with them?

If they did roll....just LOL!

YEEEEP, if he really did belt him, he has egg on his face no matter what excuse he gives or how "trusting" he is. 

1/13/14 11:56 AM
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Dirty Dick Slater - Look at his fucking gi pants. That kills me.

lol that's the first thing I noticed about the picture as well. I don't think in 20 years I have EVER seen a black belt with gi pants running 2 inches longer than his legs. That just shows his lack of experience grappling.

1/13/14 11:57 AM
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If I left Traven and went to another school and told them I was a Traven black belt and showed them a certificate, do you think they would roll with me before accepting my certificate? If he ask to affiliate with Carlos David 2 years ago and showed a certificate under another high profile name why would Carlos David question it?
1/13/14 12:01 PM
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Dirty Dick Slater - If I left Traven and went to another school and told them I was a Traven black belt and showed them a certificate, do you think they would roll with me before accepting my certificate? If he ask to affiliate with Carlos David 2 years ago and showed a certificate under another high profile name why would Carlos David question it?

accepting it?  Or promoting you?

1/13/14 12:05 PM
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The Green Bastard - 
Dirty Dick Slater - If I left Traven and went to another school and told them I was a Traven black belt and showed them a certificate, do you think they would roll with me before accepting my certificate? If he ask to affiliate with Carlos David 2 years ago and showed a certificate under another high profile name why would Carlos David question it?

accepting it?  Or promoting you?


Important distinction.

I think most schools would accept you as a black belt if you have certificates to back you up (even if you suck), but promoting you is an entirely different thing.

1/13/14 12:05 PM
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So if I accept that you are a legit Rickson black belt and you are affiliated with me for 2 years are you not due a strip? If his gym is 3 states away when are you ever going to see him roll? I agree it should not have happened. But I promise it was not his intention to reward a fraud. I am spoken to him this morning and he is very upset that he got conned. It is not the first time Lang has done this to someone
1/13/14 12:14 PM
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It is problematic that Lang had no stripes and then got promoted to two stripes. Hadn't Oliveira notice that.
1/13/14 12:22 PM
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Dirty Dick Slater - So if I accept that you are a legit Rickson black belt and you are affiliated with me for 2 years are you not due a strip? If his gym is 3 states away when are you ever going to see him roll? I agree it should not have happened. But I promise it was not his intention to reward a fraud. I am spoken to him this morning and he is very upset that he got conned. It is not the first time Lang has done this to someone

If it is someone as shitty as lang??  Yes it is absolutley 100 percent on him if he gave that shitbag a THIRD DEGREE on his blackbelt.  If he has been an affiliate for two years, maybe he should screen his affiliates better.

1/13/14 12:27 PM
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1/13/14 12:32 PM
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BriggsSeekins - This moron never ceases to amaze.

First of all, I will repeat a common observation from this thread. For the amount of time and energy that has gone into the various ridiculous schemes he has concocted over the years, he could actually have trained and become legitimate by now. It's true, in theory. With the amount of money his elderly, naive parents funnel into his escapades he could have been travelling and training with some great BBs and actually have gotten somewhere.

But Dave has none of the character for that. Dave Lang's pathologically weak ego and self esteem could never have handled going to a class and just being another Joe Schmoe on the mat, sweating and struggling to learn the art. There's too much honor, dignity and strength required to follow that path.

Dave needs to automatically step in and play the big shot. He creates entire fictional identities and uses his sociopathic skills of manipulation to make people like him and want to be his friend. It works for awhile, but the stupid narcisistic fuck just can't stay off the interwebz. And when he pops his little rat head up out of his trash can on the world wide web, there is always some UGer out there somewhere, waiting to catch him, and bring his facade of lies down on his once more.

We've seen this all unfold before. At this point Dave's students are starting to realize something is suspicious about him after all. Even the people he has really emotionally taken advantage of by presenting them with a phony friend are starting to see that nothing adds up in his bullshit and that why on earth would all these strangers from around the world be ganging up on him like this.

Why are people from around the world coming together to work against David Lang? Why are there so many people willing to speak on the record and testify in court if necessary about the fact that you were making claims and handing out certificates over three years ago that totally contradict the timeline and history you are presenting to your students now?

Your "students" will start to ask themselves these things Lang, and sooner or later they are going to start talking to me, or 10er, or MMAguy, or somebody you aren't even aware of in your community who has stumbled upon this story, or who will read about it when it starts to debut as an ongoing, weekly series later this week.

The fact is, we're already in contact with some of your students, Lang. And even people who have been manipulated into investing in you emotionally, Lang, are going to have no trouble eventually seeing who the credible people are here.

As for the recent certificate, thanks alot Lang, you fucking illiterage stooge. You make this all too easy. It's about 8:30 in the morning now and I am fully confident that I will be in communication with somebody who will completely discredit this latest fraud by the end of the day.


The crazy thing is that even if you look at it from the point when this thread started in dec 2010, dave would have had over 3 years to train and get better. So even if he couldn't be a black belt by now, he could possibly be a high blue or even purple belt with solid training. That way his grappling wouldn't look like the 1 stripe white belt we saw in his rolling video. He might then be able to actually fool some people into thinking he was a black belt (albeit crappy one) if he had trained consistently during those three years instead of working on different angles for the same con.
1/13/14 12:40 PM
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I'm sure Oliveira got tricked somehow, but I would be really sad right now if I was legitmately ranked under Oliveira. As long as Lang is ranked 2nd degree black beltm under him, none of his other promotions mean jack shit.
1/13/14 12:44 PM
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We will see what he tells Briggs
1/13/14 12:56 PM
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I think the people to contact are the legit Oliveira black belts, I 'm sure they'd be the ones most upset that this guy is trying to de-value the belts they earned legitimately.

1/13/14 1:55 PM
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I have never "traned" gi before and I have never witnessed a belt ceremony, but don't you roll with a higher level person in front of the person promoting you before they give you the promotion?

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