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1/13/14 8:56 PM
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mmaguy30 - I would bet Franca wants his name cleared here as well... I would also bet Oliveira can contact him...

put that together, but we REALLY need proof from Oliveira to prevent this from going further...

He needs to publicly renounce Dave.
This is imperative... Otherwise Lang will spin this as Briggs having some unprovoked personal vendetta against him. Video is a must Phone Post 3.0
1/13/14 8:57 PM
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I told oliveria to make a video Phone Post 3.0
1/13/14 9:03 PM
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Dirty Dick Slater - I told oliveria to make a video Phone Post 3.0
Thanks for the help getting us in contact,it's much appreciated. Phone Post 3.0
1/13/14 9:12 PM
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mmaguy30 - I would bet Franca wants his name cleared here as well... I would also bet Oliveira can contact him...

put that together, but we REALLY need proof from Oliveira to prevent this from going further...

He needs to publicly renounce Dave.

Hermes is on Lang's Facebook TODAY saying this:

Hermes Franca big hug my brother !
9 hours ago via mobile

Hermes França
https://www.facebook.com/hermes.franca.54

Lucca França
https://www.facebook.com/luccafranca
+55 85 9950-6506
1/13/14 9:23 PM
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I'm pretty sure they don't let SEX OFFENDERS use the internet while in prison. Something tells me that the Hermes FB page is probably done using Google Translate by one of the Langs. Where are our Brazilian speakers? 

1/13/14 9:34 PM
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Hermes Facebook account starts on March 12, 2013.

I'm not a blackbelt in portuguese but I would say it isn't google translate for sure.

About being on Facebook he says:
Now you guys can send me messages on face book. I only have short time on the computer but I can send back to you. God has blessed my life . We are new creations in Christ !

guess who responds…. twice…

Pat Lang God is so Good !
March 24, 2013 at 11:54am via mobile · 2

at Lang So true! Jesus is the way Amen
March 24, 2013 at 2:19pm via mobile · 2

and in Portuguese:
para toda a minha família e amigos, agora é possível enviar-me mensagens no Facebook e eu vou responder no prazo de 1 semana. obrigado pelo apoio.

For my family & friends, now it is possible to send me messages on Facebook & I will respond in a week. Thanks for the support.

1/13/14 10:00 PM
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Well then its time to message hermes on FB and figure out wtf is going on.

Is he on some sort of work release program or minimum security prison? Phone Post 3.0
1/13/14 10:01 PM
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Interesting. Thanks, paperplate. 

Hermes belongs with the Langs. So, I wouldn't put it past them to join forces, but there should be no way that he is using the internet in prison. 

1/14/14 3:42 AM
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To protect himself further, Oliveira should make a video and demand lang return the certificate he was given. Lang will milk that certificate and those pictures as long as he can. Phone Post
1/14/14 3:44 AM
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VY dirty dick. That will now be two legit BJJ BB that have denounced this fraud. Combined with the video of him rolling the MMA/BJJ media will hopefully jump on your story Briggs Phone Post 3.0
1/14/14 8:32 AM
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This is a copy of an email I sent to Carlos David Oliveira this morning. Not at this hour of the day he has not really had much time to respond or even properly process all of this. But I would hope that some kind of public statement might appear by the end of today.

Mr. Oliveira-


I hope that the video came through okay in the second email I sent. Again, sorry for the delay in getting to it.


I would imagine by now you have reviewed it with your black belts and can see why it has caused so much outrage to people, especially considering Lang's known history of lying about his nationality, black belt lineage and military veteran status in the past.


I hope you will issue a video statement on this matter as quickly as possible disavowing your association with Lang. I appreciated your candor and openness speaking to me, and I do think my portrayal of you in the story will be sympathetic, but I know that for the sake of certain students still attached to Lang, it would really help clear things up as quickly as possible if you would issue a video statement. As I mentioned on the phone, some of these young people have been severely manipulated by Lang and are not easily convinced. You have seen for yourself how manipulative and friendly Lang can be to win your trust.


One student in particular who Lang spent a lot of time grooming is now in contact with a police officer at his college who is very credible and will no doubt convince him eventually. But he is resistant. {PERONAL INFORMATION ABOUT STUDENT REDACTED TO PROTECT HIS IDENTITY WHILE INVESTIGATION IS STILL ONGOING}. I say this not to give Lang credit for doing anything good, because he investS in people like this so that he can win their loyalty and use them, like he did with you, and with me before. But he will not be easy to convince and a video from you would make a difference just for him, and for a number of other students who may be waivering, even as the evidence is obvious.


Thanks again for speaking with me on this.


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1/14/14 8:34 AM
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Oliveria's english is not great, so someone may want to translate that in Portuguese ans send it.
1/14/14 8:40 AM
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I want to directly address the student who has been in contact with my source on this story. Notice I left out your personal information. Not because it is embarrassing. It is something to be proud of, but I do not want you to be brought into Lang's scam anymore than you unfortunately have.

If you will do the best thing for your own personal integrity and self development and do the right thing by honestly investigating this matter, you will easily come to realize Lang has viciously deceived you, even as he appeared to be a helping friend.

There is no shame in being fooled by people like Lang when you yourself are a basically honest and open person who gives other people the benefit of the doubt. He has been moderately successful as a fraud for so long because he is good at parts of it.

My story will be coming out by this weekend and if you are still standing by Lang at that point, there are details of your story that will make their way into this story. Nothing that makes you look bad or deceptive in your own right, but details that will make you seem sadder and more vulnerable than you want to appear to the world. I will still leave your name out of the story, regardless. You have done nothing criminal and I will not identify you to the public unless you decide to go on the record of your own accord. My only real interest in regards to you in this story is to see you get over being terribly used and deceived as easily as possible. You might find that going on the record about Lang ends up being very cathartic for you. Others certainly have.

I also want to warn you of something. People who have insisted on standing by Lang in the history of this saga have not been treated gently by the ravaging UG vigilante hordes. You have a chance to be welcomed by the UG as a brother who was deceived. Don't turn that down and risk developing into a figure of fun.

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1/14/14 8:41 AM
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I agree Dick. I was going to suggest it, but honestly thought at this point he might already have people close to him who will help him on that matter. I will say his spoken English was pretty good, but there can be a world of difference between that and understanding an earnest appeal that is in writing.
1/14/14 10:44 AM
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This big missing pieces in this narrative now revolved around Hermes Franca. It seems clear that the entire Lang clan has been involved in contacting and love-blanketing Hermes while he is in prison, even though Hermes Franca is not somebody Lang ever so much as mentioned during his time running the phony Ithaca school in 2010. I even checked today with one of the students who spent the most time around Lang in those days and he said he never mentioned him. Sometime in the last couple of years the Langarang Clan rallied to Franca and used the connection with Hermes and Luis to build up a facade of credibility for David to then go interacting with other legitimate people.

However he got involved in this, it doesn't look good for Franca now. I would like to get into contact with Franca's lawyer, because he should be aware that he is now implicated in a long-term attempt to defraud the public at large while potentially causing irreparable damage to professional reputations. This isn't the kind of thing that will look good to a parole board.
1/14/14 1:05 PM
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dude... Briggs straight took this thing and RANNNN with it...


carry that ball my fren!

bring it on in for the touchdown!

I will now log in each day JUST to VTFU Mr Briggs...


bravo for how you are handling this and stepping up!
1/14/14 1:13 PM
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My vote on the hermes FB page is that it is 99% chance Lang. Or his bro, but I have SERIOUS doubts it is hermes...

Here is the FACT we all know...

DAve has never trained with Hermes for ANYthing more than a seminar or some similar BS...

Dave never spent time in florida,

Dave has never been to brazil.

Dave has never left the US

DAve is a one eyed cockfaggit kiddy rapist who forges everything.

He has a history of creating false identities and assuming other peoples online identity to give himself credibility... he did it with that kid from jersey/pa like 2 years ago...

Some poor kid he conned into coming to NY to train at his "academy" (the dingy shed behind his house)

THe kid NEVER sent emails to confirm anything, it was all Dave... it was proven.

Remember in the beginning when his "cousin" in brazil sent me emails confirming Dave was from argentina via brazil, and was a legit BB? THe cousin who sent emails in broken english from brazil? From the SAME IP ADDRESS dave sent his emails from in upstate Ny??

that FB is DAve being a cockfaggit.



fuck dave lang.
1/14/14 1:27 PM
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Briggs is a legend, taking this to the next level! Phone Post 3.0
1/14/14 1:29 PM
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Briggs,'

I also want to say,"thank you" for doing what needs to be done. You are handling it in a professional way. In the past, part of the criticism, by those looking into Lang, was that we were immature, petty, crude, etc... So, it is awesome that we have you handling this in a respectful and thorough way.

I look forward to your final story. I VTFU every day, even though I'm not sure it means anything to you -- it's all I can do to thank you. 

1/14/14 1:39 PM
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"pulling a fake black belt out of your mouth after I shove it up your ass, and carry you across the mat holding each end"

I may have to come up with a shorter name...



Oh, I've got it, thinking either 'lang on a rope,' or the more pig roast style 'The langspit.'
1/14/14 1:43 PM
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Thank you everybody for the support. As always, a lot of people are working on this. Lang has enemies everywhere, and most of them are people he has never heard of. A lot of the really important developments coming together right now wouldn't be possible without the work my friend 10er has been putting in, as well.

The most amusing thing about this is that I really did not have anything like this on the schedule for January, and I tend to work off a pretty tight schedule. I am a pretty busy person considering I don't have kids to slow me down, too. But it has been very rewarding and worthwhile to make time for this.

Lang, if only you weren't a fucking moron illiterate and you could have kept your mouth shut, you might have been able to get off the ground with this. But you had to come taunt the UG.
1/14/14 1:44 PM
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Olivera should go to Dave's school which is an affiliate with maybe with a few other if his students and evaluate his skillet. Preferably on video. If Dave meets the standards let him hold his rank, if he gets dumped and smashed like a white belt then they should strip him of his tank and present him with a white belt while disavowing their association from him and his school.


Seems like the logical thing to do. Phone Post 3.0
1/14/14 1:45 PM
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I also tend to think that Hermes Franca is largely a dupe in this. For one thing, there is the Dave Lang who has trained down there in Florida and I'm willing to be that when Lang first started contacting Hermes, he might even have presented himself as that Dave Lang.

I will be making some calls down to Florida in the next couple of days to the Department of Corrections. If nothing else, I would like to find out if there is a policy on who has access to FB in prison. I have my doubts about people convicted of raping minors being allowed on it. And fake FB profiles are Lang's bread and butter.
1/14/14 1:50 PM
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PrettyBoy - Olivera should go to Dave's school which is an affiliate with maybe with a few other if his students and evaluate his skillet. Preferably on video. If Dave meets the standards let him hold his rank, if he gets dumped and smashed like a white belt then they should strip him of his tank and present him with a white belt while disavowing their association from him and his school.


Seems like the logical thing to do. Phone Post 3.0

This might be better than a public denouncing on video. I mean he is still an affiliate and if he records this Lang would be fucked.
1/14/14 1:56 PM
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re the potential of Hermes using facebook in prison...I have no idea whether or not Hermes is actually the one that is using the facebook account, but it is fairly easy these days to get smartphones in prison and then use the phones for internet access. a former training partner of mine (ironically a legit bjj black belt) is in prison and is on facebook quite a bit. apparently he does this through smartphones

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