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12/28/10 9:51 AM
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MONDAY, DECEMBER 27, 2010

World's Oldest Human Remains Discovered in Israel

Warning: Do not read this article if your belief system prohibits acceptance of objects being older than your believed age of the universe. For help in resolving such conflicts, I suggest you read "The Challenge of Creation" by Natan Slifkin.

Despite the modern anthropological thesis ("Out of Africa") that mankind originated in Africa, the world's oldest Homo-Sapien remains found so far have recently been uncovered in theKessem Cave near the Israeli city of Rosh HaAyin. To date, the oldest examples of skeletal remains from Africa are carbon dated at about 200,000 years, while the remains from the Kessem Cave are dated approximately at 400,000 years. This discovery could completely change modern science's theories about mankind's evolution.

The following is translated from the Tel Aviv University, HaYadan website:
World's Oldest's Remains of Modern Man Discovered in the Kessem Cave near Rosh Ha'Ayin.

Tel Aviv University , Saturday, 25 December 2010

Tel Aviv University researchers have uncovered evidence indicating the presence of modern humans (Homo-sapiens) in Israel about 400 thousand years ago.

This is the earliest period in which evidence of modern humans in the world has been found. The findings were discovered in the Kessem Cave of Magic, a para-historical site near Rosh HaAyin that was discovered in the year 2000, and are now published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology.

Researchers Professor Avi Gopher and Dr. Ran Barkai from the Department of Archaeology, who run the Kessem cave excavation, and Professor Israel Hershkovitz, from the Department of Anatomy and Anthropology at the Sackler School of Medicine at Tel Aviv University, conducted in collaboration with an international team of scientists, eight morphological dental analysis of the remains of people found in the Kessem Cave.

Very detailed morphological analysis of dental X-ray CT scans indicate that the teeth size is similar in shape and very similar to those of modern humans that until now were only in findings from 200 thousand years ago in the African Continent. The Kessem Cave teeth are also very similar to the findings of modern humans in Israel, which were dated at about 100 thousand years old, in the Ashul and Caramel Caves in the Lower Galilee near Nazareth.

The Kessem Cave dates to the period between 200 thousand to 400 thousand years ago, and in the archeologists' opinion, the findings indicate significant changes in the behavior of ancient humans. This period is a very significant stage in human history -- culturally and biologically, and the fact that a modern man's teeth were found, indicates that these changes apparently related to evolutionary changes that have occurred in man.

Professor Avi Gopher and Dr. Ran Barkai said the findings are unique to the culture of the Kessem Cave dwellers, such as systematically arranged production of flint blades, regular use of fire, hunting patterns, dismemberment and distribution of meat and livestock, mining of raw materials from the ground -- all strengthen the hypothesis that this is indeed an innovative behavior and integrates well with the appearance of modern humans.

Researchers say that the Kessem Cave discovery should change the widespread perception, that the origin of modern humans is from the African Continent.

In recent years archaeological finds of human skeletons in China and Spain might appeal to this theory, but the findings from the Kessem Cave are now far more significant, as the earlier age is undoubtedly an exceptional archaeological discovery.

The Kessem Cave excavations continue, and the diggers hope that more evidence will be discovered to allow for additional confirmation of the findings from the published study, and to deepen the understanding of human evolution and especially the emergence of modern man.
12/28/10 1:00 PM
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 if these remains are truly 400,000 years old, it is quite thought provoking.
12/28/10 3:44 PM
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Here's another report that's pretty good.
 
JERUSALEM — Israeli archaeologists said Monday they may have found the earliest evidence yet for the existence of modern man, and if so, it could upset theories of the origin of humans.

A Tel Aviv University team excavating a cave in central Israel said teeth found in the cave are about 400,000 years old and resemble those of other remains of modern man, known scientifically as Homo sapiens, found in Israel. The earliest Homo sapiens remains found until now are half as old.

"It's very exciting to come to this conclusion," said archaeologist Avi Gopher, whose team examined the teeth with X-rays and CT scans and dated them according to the layers of earth where they were found.

He stressed that further research is needed to solidify the claim. If it does, he says, "this changes the whole picture of evolution."

The accepted scientific theory is that Homo sapiens originated in Africa and migrated out of the continent. Gopher said if the remains are definitively linked to modern human's ancestors, it could mean that modern man in fact originated in what is now Israel.

Sir Paul Mellars, a prehistory expert at Cambridge University, said the study is reputable, and the find is "important" because remains from that critical time period are scarce, but it is premature to say the remains are human.

"Based on the evidence they've sited, it's a very tenuous and frankly rather remote possibility," Mellars said. He said the remains are more likely related to modern man's ancient relatives, the Neanderthals.

According to today's accepted scientific theories, modern humans and Neanderthals stemmed from a common ancestor who lived in Africa about 700,000 years ago. One group of descendants migrated to Europe and developed into Neanderthals, later becoming extinct. Another group stayed in Africa and evolved into Homo sapiens – modern humans.

Teeth are often unreliable indicators of origin, and analyses of skull remains would more definitively identify the species found in the Israeli cave, Mellars said.

12/29/10 9:30 AM
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 *i do not support the makers of this video, but some of it's info is definetly thought provoking*.




I see the evidence pointing to the knowledge that we have been here for far longer, than previously thought, and that perhaps our history is much granduer than we originally thought.

the evidence of events such as the great deluge, are recorded in so many different civilizations history books, that there has to be some truth to the stories....?



12/30/10 9:40 PM
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 He says, 'This changes the whole picture of evolution!'

Changes? It throws it out entirely.

I've never believed the 'out of Africa' origin anyway, and this discovery is not surprising no matter whether it is real or misdated. It's not surprising if it's real because we have never known as much as we think we do, and it's  not surprising if it's misdated because we don't know as much as we think we do. ;)
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i think some of our history has to be way off, to explain findings that have been made.
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1/5/11 2:48 PM
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 Where are those pics from Robert? I'd like to read about them.
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Religious Prof Unfazed By Teeth Said To Be 400,000 Years Old

 
by David Lev
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“There is nothing new under the sun” is an adage that could be applied to the latest finding by archaeologists in Israel – who discovered teeth said to belong to homo sapiens, the scientific term for modern man, dating from about 400,000 years ago – says Professor Natan Aviezer of Bar Ilan University, one of the world's most prominent authors on Torah and science. The finding made a stir in the media and scientific circles.

The finding by an Israeli team working at a cave in the center of the country has created a real headache for evolutionists – because it contradicts the accepted timeline of human evolution, according to which  the human race had only progressed as far as homo erectus, a predecessor of modern man, 400,000 years ago. In addition, evolution theory has homo sapiens living in Africa until about 60,000 years ago, at which point they moved into the Middle East and beyond.

The finding may be a headache for evolutionists, but as far as religious Jews are concerned, “this finding changes nothing regarding the Torah point of view.  The development of man has scientifically been proven to be in line with the narrative of the Torah,” says Professor Aviezer, who has written two books discussing the Jewish and scientific views on the creation of the world and the development of man.

The teeth were found in the Qesem cave near Rosh Ha'Ayin, a prehistoric cave that was discovered in 2000; archaeologists began exploring it in 2004. The teeth were found by Prof. Avi Gopher and Dr. Ran Barkai of Tel Aviv University's Department of Archeology, who ran numerous carbon-dating and other tests before going public with their discovery, considering the blow to evolution theory inherent in the findings.

Gopher and Barkai recently published their findings in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, and in a recent interview, Gopher said that he was positive that further exploration of the cave would yield the skull that the teeth belong to, as well as other artifacts from the same era, confirming that modern humans were already in existence at the time, or even earlier.

Aviezer, for his part, does not dispute the findings – and in fact calls them “irrelevant” to the Torah's view of human development. “The only creatures you can fairly call 'human beings' are creatures who lived in human civilizations as we understand them, and 400,000 years ago there was no such thing,” Aviezer told Israel National News. “On this there is no dispute, and there is also no dispute that civilization as we know it emerged about 6,000 years ago, just like the Torah says,” he says.

In his books - In the Beginning: Biblical Creation and Science, and Fossils and Faith: Understanding Torah and Science – Aviezer discusses the evolutionary record and compares it the Torah's creation narrative, matching events described in the Torah with events postulated by evolutionary theorists. Citing different rabbinical opinions in the Talmud, Midrash, Kabbala, and elsewhere, Aviezer shows that evolution, far from contradicting the Torah, actually may be considered to align with the Torah's statements.

It's that approach that leaves Aviezer unfazed by the latest developments. “The Torah says that G-d created man in His image, meaning he created man as a spiritual being,” he says. “Whatever humanoids were  before the dawn of civilization – when human beings became human beings – they were not spiritual beings. In fact, they were no different than animals – like crocodiles. Only when 'man was created in the Image of G-d' is he called man.” Archaeologists have found that human civilization as we know it suddenly sprang up at one time, and it is this event that Aviezer calls the “creation of man. Whatever happened before that is dealt with by the Torah in the first six and a half days of creation (the Talmud says that man was created on the morning of the sixth day, that is halfway from the beginning of the day"


1/7/11 7:17 AM
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Personally  from what i've seen so far, I agree with the man,in  that it doesn't change the viewpoint on the signifigance of the Torah in our lives, but it definetly changes the misconception that we are only 10,000 years old.
1/8/11 9:48 PM
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Grakman -  He says, 'This changes the whole picture of evolution!'

Changes? It throws it out entirely.

I've never believed the 'out of Africa' origin anyway, and this discovery is not surprising no matter whether it is real or misdated. It's not surprising if it's real because we have never known as much as we think we do, and it's  not surprising if it's misdated because we don't know as much as we think we do. ;)




gosh, what a surprise. another "change to the whole picture of evolution". it's a messy picture, always being erased and re-written.
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 ^and we probably still do not have the truth

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