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12/28/10 10:41 PM
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Merry Christmas everyone. I just got out of shoulder surgery and I'm bumming. Bone spurs were shaved down on clavicle and collar bone, and bicep was 75% percent detached so they snipped and re-attached (adding another 6 weeks to my recovery).

No lifting, no running, no bjj, nothing for 10 days, then in a sling for at least 3 weeks and no lifting or sparring for l2 to 16 weeks. Bummed.

I had dropped 30 lbs and making a run to finally get my brown belt. I'm 43 and all the years of lifting, judo, boxing, bjj, football, etc are taking their toll.

I'm scared of turning into that fat, black belt judo coach who walks around but can't roll :-)

Anyway, if you remember, toss a prayer up for me. if you've been thru it, let me know what to expect. Thanks guys. happy new year!
12/29/10 3:13 AM
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 I'm 38 and know what you mean about things taking their toll.  I am still battling with Plica syndrome in my knee that was set off by a calf-crusher pop.  The first surgery didn't fix it.  

I bet judo, boxing, and football were harder than bjj though.  I think judo is great, but doing the takedown randori leads to far too many injuries.  I would rather train wrestling and bjj and try to survive old age.
12/29/10 9:16 AM
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 Rooster..the worse part at first for me was the rehab..especially the part where i had to reach out and walk my fingers up a wall...shoulder was fine as long as i didn't have to raise it above my head. after rehab i was fine..but still to this day, nearly twenty years later, it still has it's days when i have to stretch it out alot extra, especially on cold rainy days.  good luck!
12/29/10 12:30 PM
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 Just had a fractured orbital replaced yesterday and I got one eye bandaged shut.

My cones and rods are all messed up!


12/29/10 12:37 PM
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wow helwig!

Ridge i think you are right. even doing a good thrown in judo puts trauma on your shoulders when you land and break falling (which I have to do a lot :-) just sends reverbs up the arm to the shoulder.

The worst part was the stupid anesthesia. being bandaged up and then puking over and over sucks :-)

I think I'm coming back full circle to Helio bjj. there is no way to do they physical imposition bjj that is popular now because at some point, you bring in elements of judo and wrestling (exploding, scrambling, smashing guard, etc). I feel like I am going to start my bjj all over. no grunting or it's the wrong move.

Helwig, hope you feel better!

Thanks for your input Robert.
12/29/10 6:54 PM
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 When I get back to training I am going to focus on a bjj/wrestling hybrid.  I think wrestling is fairly safe, especially with the common takedowns, since there is less time being airborne.  Judo is beautiful to watch, and the throws are awesome, but I have seen so many guys get shoulder injuries with judo.  I was training with a friend for over a year and we decided to start training some judo.  He landed on his shoulder and popped it out of the socket.  It went back in, but from that point on it would slip out while rolling on a regular basis.  It totally screwed up his training.  I haven't seen those kinds of injuries doing wrestling takedowns.  
12/29/10 10:46 PM
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I'm recovering from back surgery at 25 years old and now they are saying the first one didn't fix it so I have to have another this spring... 10years wrestling and 5 years Marine Corps infantry are not kind... So I'm with ya on being bored not being able to do anything.... Heck me and my wife just got into it cause she says all I do is spend all my time on video games and what not and all I can say is hey I can't do anything else!!! So I can't bend over can't carry anything over 5 pounds... So it rules out laundry dishes and taking out the trash so I'm stuck.... But good luck with your recovery... prayers are coming your way! Phone Post
12/29/10 11:32 PM
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 Spine surgery is no joke, let me tell you man rehab is everything.

WIsh everyone the best.

Pray for the strength to get through the worst days.
12/31/10 3:01 PM
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Ridgeback -  When I get back to training I am going to focus on a bjj/wrestling hybrid.  I think wrestling is fairly safe, especially with the common takedowns, since there is less time being airborne.  Judo is beautiful to watch, and the throws are awesome, but I have seen so many guys get shoulder injuries with judo.  I was training with a friend for over a year and we decided to start training some judo.  He landed on his shoulder and popped it out of the socket.  It went back in, but from that point on it would slip out while rolling on a regular basis.  It totally screwed up his training.  I haven't seen those kinds of injuries doing wrestling takedowns.  



ridge, I find that interesting. i find wrestling to be very fast, with explosion, scrambling, imposition y will, power, conditioning, etc. Judo can have that but it has that Helio Bjj aspect. I tend to grip fight, defend and use sacrifice throws (especially with the shoulder messed up). Wouldn't normally think of wrestling except for maybe in turtle and turtle breakdowns.

I want to train like frail and 135 instead of 200lb and pretending I still bench 400lbs and am 25 years old.
12/31/10 3:02 PM
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drmccarty - I'm recovering from back surgery at 25 years old and now they are saying the first one didn't fix it so I have to have another this spring... 10years wrestling and 5 years Marine Corps infantry are not kind... So I'm with ya on being bored not being able to do anything.... Heck me and my wife just got into it cause she says all I do is spend all my time on video games and what not and all I can say is hey I can't do anything else!!! So I can't bend over can't carry anything over 5 pounds... So it rules out laundry dishes and taking out the trash so I'm stuck.... But good luck with your recovery... prayers are coming your way! <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


ha, I hear ya. My wife bought me a mac and I'm surfing and making goofy movies of myself!

I pray you have good and complete healing, In Jesus Name!
12/31/10 3:03 PM
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HELWIG -  Spine surgery is no joke, let me tell you man rehab is everything.

WIsh everyone the best.

Pray for the strength to get through the worst days.


I will remember that Helwig. I'm icing almost 24 hours a day on an "ice sleeve" I got from the doctors. I actually feel decent, just can't "sweat" until stitches are out so I'm bored and putting on holiday weight.

Would be a lot easier if we were giants!
12/31/10 3:30 PM
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 Hahaahhahaaha!
12/31/10 4:27 PM
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Ridgeback -  When I get back to training I am going to focus on a bjj/wrestling hybrid.  I think wrestling is fairly safe, especially with the common takedowns, since there is less time being airborne.  Judo is beautiful to watch, and the throws are awesome, but I have seen so many guys get shoulder injuries with judo.  I was training with a friend for over a year and we decided to start training some judo.  He landed on his shoulder and popped it out of the socket.  It went back in, but from that point on it would slip out while rolling on a regular basis.  It totally screwed up his training.  I haven't seen those kinds of injuries doing wrestling takedowns.  



ridge, I find that interesting. i find wrestling to be very fast, with explosion, scrambling, imposition y will, power, conditioning, etc. Judo can have that but it has that Helio Bjj aspect. I tend to grip fight, defend and use sacrifice throws (especially with the shoulder messed up). Wouldn't normally think of wrestling except for maybe in turtle and turtle breakdowns.

I want to train like frail and 135 instead of 200lb and pretending I still bench 400lbs and am 25 years old.

 Yes a wrestling game can be played that way, but a bjj/wrestling hybrid tends to be more settled down, always looking for the efficient way to move the other person.  I think a lot of the wrestling craziness comes from panic over a pin.  When you are less worried about a pin you can ease back a little while still trying to impose your will and get to the top.  I think that actually sums up Rickson's game well.  When he fought funaki he took him down with a knee shot to headlock control type move.  From that point on it was all dominance.  And when you think about it the guy who gets the top position works a lot less.

Honestly I think it all goes back to finding the most efficient way to move your opponent to an inferior position and away from proper postural alignment.  Everything else is just the details of how you accomplish that.
12/31/10 4:29 PM
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 Oh and I should add Rooster that every dude over 35 pretty much has to slow down or risk nasty injuries.  It's not that we can't push ourselves, its just that we break things when we do.  I think Roy Harris's BJJ over 40 has some good tips for how to slow down and "survive" the young bucks.
12/31/10 7:39 PM
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Oh, I agree Ride. I feel like I can spar with anyone (and have) rolling twice this year with world class grappler Dustin Denes. But in the last 8 months, you're right, a one time match with anyone is good, it's the next 3 days, or week, or month later from not wanting to get swept, or by doing a smash guard pass, or from resisting the guillotine.

I'm done with that. I'm confident in my top game so I am giong to work on sweeps, sweeps, sweeps. To much fightnig from my knees, or starting in their guard and trying to smash.

Good insight though.
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1/2/11 2:38 PM
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for gripping
1/2/11 2:42 PM
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for gripping exercises?
1/13/11 4:02 AM
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 He probably means for rolling on your shoulder and massaging out painful points.

I've had both shoulders so wrecked that I gave up completely after 30.

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