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1/2/11 6:13 AM
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We went to a gun show (see other thread) and my g/f wanted to buy a nice big Cold Steel push dagger.

I said 'OK, but it's illegal in Va'. She frowned and mumbled something and we went on. But we're going back today and get it.

Reasoning was superb. She said 'look, I'm small, have small hands and wrists and I can't hold on to a knife and slice or cut someone even just enough to get away, but with a push-dagger, I can -grip- it and I'm strong like that.

My jaw dropped. She was absolutely right. She went on to say 'middle-aged' woman, cop finds dagger in her purse - is he going to be all nuts?' Prob. not, he'll just say 'sweetie, you can't have that in Va' and maybe just warn her.

But if she's grabbed and can get it out, that's the surest and strongest grip. Of course she'll use it to open boxes of antique dishes from ebay, but I had to laugh - out of the mouth of babes, lol.

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PS (yes I know it's "knives")


 
1/2/11 7:58 PM
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If you bought it at a gun show in VA, it's not illegal in VA. Vendors have to follow the laws of the state and at gun shows, they get pretty heavily regulated. I highly recommend looking into knife laws, as most of what you hear and are told is pure BS. Ex: I've always been told about blade length limits and carry prohibitions in Indiana. Been told this be police officers no less. Indiana's knife law is summed up as "no switch blades, no chinese throwing stars). No mention of carry, length limits, etc.

I'm not from VA, but looking at their knife laws, I believe a push dagger is actually legal to carry as long as it's observable. If you have a concealed carry permit, I think you can carry it concealed legally. I would ask a criminal defense attorney to be sure (maybe several to get a general consensus opinion) and look at case law history in the state. Here is the pertinent laws. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308

Cold steel has a video showing the practical uses of their knives along with the defensive uses on their web site, so using their info you could argue it's utilitarian uses. I have a buddy who carries a hunting version with a gut hook. http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=OEGS100 He says it's so he can claim it's for opening boxes and cutting up cardboard. The hook seems to work well for cutting boxes without the items inside.

My wife carries a cold steel safe keeper III push dagger http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=CS12CT. Single edged and nasty. It's impossible to disarm her, she cuts things quite well with it and punching wise I would not want to be on the receiving end of it.
1/10/11 5:30 AM
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Skpotamus - If you bought it at a gun show in VA, it's not illegal in VA.  
I went on Saturday in CT, and they were selling a lot of button-release automatics and balisongs, which I know are illegal in CT. Some of the vendors (well, one at least) refused to sell autos to anyone but law enforcement officers with ID, but everyone else would sell to anyone. My friend's 14-yr old nephew picked up a balisong.

 
1/10/11 8:23 AM
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Willybone - 
Skpotamus - If you bought it at a gun show in VA, it's not illegal in VA.  
I went on Saturday in CT, and they were selling a lot of button-release automatics and balisongs, which I know are illegal in CT. Some of the vendors (well, one at least) refused to sell autos to anyone but law enforcement officers with ID, but everyone else would sell to anyone. My friend's 14-yr old nephew picked up a balisong.

 

Knife laws of CT (taken from http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=455604)
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/pub/Chap943.htm#Sec53-206.htm
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/pub/Chap529.htm#Sec29-38.htm

You can own them (switchblades and balisongs), just not carry them as a self defense tool.
1/13/11 10:43 AM
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Hey, that's cool!
Not that I was really sweatin' the local cops finding my collection in my house or anything, but it's good to know.

1/14/11 1:31 AM
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Willybone - Hey, that's cool!
Not that I was really sweatin' the local cops finding my collection in my house or anything, but it's good to know.



:o) Glad to be of service :o)

That's kind of the thing about the laws in various states, most people are told one thing or the other for so long and by people who should know the laws (LEO's, attorneys, etc) that they believe things that aren't true. I had a police officer tell me once that open carry was illegal in IN. I was talking to him in a gun shop I worked at and had the law books at hand. Showed him the code (state law is completely silent on open or concealed carry), he was baffled because his superiors had told him so. He'd actually confronted people about open carry and had them remove their guns, enforcing a law that doesn't exist. Similarly, I was always told no double edged knives and no knives over 5" in IN. Indiana law on knives is extremely small (two paragraphs), summed up= no switchblades, no throwing stars. That's it.

I highly recommend checking out the laws in your states for yourselves (that goes for everybody). The NRA is a great resource for gun laws www.nra-ila.org, click on state laws and then your state on the map. For knife laws: http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/sta-law.htm , http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USKnife.pdf , and http://www.knifelawsonline.com/knifehome/

I would even recommend printing them out and carrying them with you if the written law is different from the "common knowledge" that is passed around. Lotsa people don't know them, including the people who enforce them.
1/14/11 7:42 AM
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Not to be too down on cops but they really only are knowledgeable on a tiny segment of the 'law' related to their duties and if they are in a new jurisdiction they may not have the newest information.

Ditto on printing out the laws.

I really don't think a Concealed Carry permit for a gun allows you to concealed carry a push dagger, but it probably will get you a 'lecture', especially if you are a 60 y.o. grandmother - in the VERY unlikely situation that you're stopped and searched. (info gleaned from 'opencarry.org' - http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forum.php.)

If you think about it logically, a short push dagger is an entirely defensive weapon (though anything can be used offensively by an expert). Thus the need to 'regulate it' is probably overstated. You can go buy a phillips screwdriver with a pocket clip that is a LOT more deadly - essentially an icepick.

Thanks, guys for the comments.

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