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1/14/11 10:29 AM
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Before 1989 (year Soviet Union dissolved) were that any newaza specialists in international competitions who specialized working from the bottom or Guard (I know thats not where you really want to be in Judo bouts but it is a common situation)?

I know I saw from JudoVision, Boris Mishenko utilize a modified Tomoe Nage that resemble a base-breaking Guard Pull to secure a Juji on Isao Okano. I also think I saw Neil Adams work well from that position (the Olympian not the artist [Neal Adams]of Batman).
1/14/11 1:44 PM
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1/14/11 1:47 PM
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oh yeah his instructionals had him working from the bottom alot. too bad judovision doesn't have more of his competitions. I would hope from reading though my Best Judo book that Isao Inokuma and Nobuyuki Sato were great all-round newaza guys.
1/14/11 2:08 PM
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1/14/11 2:20 PM
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btw there is no Nobuyuki Sato footage on Judo Vision.
1/14/11 3:16 PM
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The older guys you won't find much footage of anywhere. Kashiwazaki has instructionals in Japanese you can buy. Mr. Sato is a ne waza expert,however, he is from an older era and you won't find much if any ne waza footage of him. There is some throwing stuff online of his, though.

Isao Inokuma is even harder to find, he was older than Sato.

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1/14/11 3:24 PM
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Agree with Ben: finding footage will be very very hard - folks just didnt have access to cheap video technology like today and comps, even some of the big ones, weren't filmed.



1/14/11 4:00 PM
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In Neil Adam's final match in the 1981 World Championships, he used a closed guard for a few moments and then switched to an armlock that Kase barely escaped. You can see the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYXhlYQJQ2M

It's at about the 1:35 mark.
1/14/11 5:54 PM
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kumikata - In Neil Adam's final match in the 1981 World Championships, he used a closed guard for a few moments and then switched to an armlock that Kase barely escaped. You can see the video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYXhlYQJQ2M

It's at about the 1:35 mark.


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1/14/11 6:14 PM
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Kashiwazaki briefly working his open guard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtZEA_NnGdg
1/14/11 10:30 PM
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1/15/11 8:04 AM
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That is one kool video. My first time seeing ground work incorporated into world class judo way back when. Adams had the complete game. Today you see more of it. Surprized the Japanese fellow was not attacking and putting Adams on the defensive. Nice drop Seionage by Adams from the collar side. Thanks, wonder where Adams developed his ground game?
1/15/11 8:30 AM
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He secretly went to Brazil in the 70's to train with Rorian:]
1/15/11 11:14 AM
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I beleive Sambo/Judoka David Rudman wrote an instructional book on only working from the bottom in the 1980s. I could be wrong because I don't speak Russian.
1/15/11 1:15 PM
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wow. Rudman, although he can exaggerate, really was a 2x European Champion in Judo. That's pretty good.
1/15/11 1:55 PM
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btw who is Tsuyoshi Kohsaka's Judo teacher? I am looking at his Japanese Wiki page and it doesn't say he went through the 7 Emperors university system which is associated with guys like Masa Kimura and Yuki Nakai.

btw are there any other MMA fighters or submission wrestlers who came though this system? What about Koji Komuro and Yoshinori Nishi?
1/15/11 11:25 PM
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Oh yeah, Kanae Hirata released some Kosen DVDs or someone released them with him instructing.

That stabbing story makes Yoshinori Nishi sound like such a bad ass. Seriously, he really needs a biography written about him. I would definitely want to know:

- his thoughts on former Network members like Akira Shoji

- the story of his stabbing

- his analysis on former rivals Rob Kaman and Rickson Gracie (both thought to be the best in their respective combat sports)

- his recollections of Daido Juku's earliest days and combat sports of the 1980s in general

- if he thinks Tiger Mask Satoru Sayama is a punk and Akira Maeda a badass ( I personally don't like either but respect their work)

- his reaction to Yuki Nakai losing an eye in the Vale Tudo Japan

- his relationship with Caol Uno these days

- if he wants the Wajyutsu Network to expand in the US

- how he defines Wajyutsu

- and if he likes the current MMA scene and if not, his ideas on how to improve it

Too bad Roxie isn't that close to him. This man is a pioneer, hall of famer, and future legend. I can see the Pulitzer award winning title now: The Baddest Man in Japan:
Yoshinori Nishi, Trainer of Champions and Fighting Pioneer
1/16/11 7:32 AM
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Well yeah he probably won't say anything about those two as they have higher connections.

In regards to those topics, I was just conjecturing what topics I am interested in and probably would make an interesting book though I am sure there is such a book in Japanese.

Off topic again Allcloser, were Daido Juku Hokuto-ki fight rules in the 80s same as the rules today. Is there any of this footage anywhere?
1/16/11 7:54 PM
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The 80s was a crazy time in Japan I heard; according to the manga, GTO, a lot of social unrest and subsequent rebellions.
1/16/11 9:09 PM
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probably not. I am Chinese, and I think there was a conservative backlash against Sino-Japanese (which I would have been if I lived in Japan instead of Chinese-American) at the time.
1/18/11 1:15 AM
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Amazingly in the Rikidozan bio-pic, where Kimura was portrayed by MMA pioneer Masa Funaki, the shoot and its cause was portrayed accurately.
1/19/11 12:47 PM
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1/19/11 2:01 PM
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My old instructor Rick Littlewood made it to the 4th round of the Munich Olympics (1972) via ground work. He spends a lot of time working a sub from the bottom. you can watch some videos of him on youtube (where he won gold at the Masters comp in Japan last year). I've never even seen him attempt a throw lol.
1/19/11 5:32 PM
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He kind of takes his opponents to the ground where he is bigger and stronger (it appears) and then can transition to what is available. Looks like Masters in the 70(s) age group. That one throw where he does kind of a yoko-uki otoshi hurt the leg of his opponent. Kind of "brutal" for that age group.
1/22/11 5:09 PM
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http://www.budovideos.com/shop/customer/product.php?productid=30975&cat=&page=1 Speaking of books that need translation (from the Japan thread)...This is a book by probably the two best living Japanese submission experts.

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