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2/1/11 7:06 PM
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Sean Sherk isn’t ready to retire, but when he is he hopes that his resume will send him into the UFC Hall of Fame.

“I’m not walking away, but if I were to walk away, I’ve done enough in my career to be happy with what I’ve accomplished,” Sherk said recently on the Sherdog Radio Network. “I think I’ve cemented my place in this industry [through] everything I’ve done inside and outside the gym, and I’ve cemented my place in the UFC. I hope to be a Hall of Famer some day. That’s my goal.”

A former UFC lightweight champion, Sherk has won nearly 40 bouts in more than a decade of fighting. In the midst of all those highs, he has had a few lows. In 2007 he tested positive for a steroid, though he denied using the banned substance. At another point, he had to step away from the sport because MMA had not yet exploded in popularity and he wasn’t making enough money.

“It wasn’t something I wanted to do. I was forced to leave because there was no money in this industry,” Sherk explained. “There was no sponsorship. There were no MMA expos. There were not very many gyms around the country. There was no seminars, no appearances. … There was nothing really going on in this industry. It was still growing, and I had to walk away because I had a house. I had to pay bills.”

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2/1/11 7:07 PM
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I definitely don't think he should be in the HoF.
2/1/11 7:08 PM
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 maybe if he goes on a 8 or 9 fight win streak. Wins LW belt, defends it 3 or 4 times. Other than that, no
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Are you guys crazy? He is a HOFer
2/1/11 7:09 PM
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he can buy a ticket
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For a guy that hasn't finished a fight in the UFC in 9 years - it'd be a joke to put him in.
2/1/11 7:17 PM
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Son of Scott Ferrozzo - For a guy that hasn't finished a fight in the UFC in 9 years - it'd be a joke to put him in.
Lets say Edgar continued on his same path for the next 3 years... would he deserve to go?
 
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 Not even close.
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2/1/11 7:26 PM
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Son of Scott Ferrozzo - For a guy that hasn't finished a fight in the UFC in 9 years - it'd be a joke to put him in.

 Hughes, GSP, Diaz, Florian, Hermes, BJ, Tyson, Frankie, Dunham.... all guys he's fought in UFC since his last finish and they're ALL guys who are notoriously hard to beat much less finish.



Which is why he has no right to be in the HoF. Several of those guys have been finished by guys who will never be considered for the HoF. Sherk is just a lay and pray specialist. While he's good at that, he doesn't deserve a HoF spot.
2/1/11 7:42 PM
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Son of Scott Ferrozzo - For a guy that hasn't finished a fight in the UFC in 9 years - it'd be a joke to put him in.

 Hughes, GSP, Diaz, Florian, Hermes, BJ, Tyson, Frankie, Dunham.... all guys he's fought in UFC since his last finish and they're ALL guys who are notoriously hard to beat much less finish.



Which is why he has no right to be in the HoF. Several of those guys have been finished by guys who will never be considered for the HoF. Sherk is just a lay and pray specialist. While he's good at that, he doesn't deserve a HoF spot.


Request ban of poster for fighter bashing and disrespecting a legendary mMa pioneer.


Relax, I'm not bashing him. I just don't think he belongs in the HoF for the reasons I've stated. Why are you such a crybaby?
2/1/11 7:45 PM
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He's a legend, he's a pioneer, but he's not a HoFer
2/1/11 7:47 PM
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He said he wants to be a HoFer. Read, douches. That's his goal for future fights.
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Pernicious - He's a legend, he's a pioneer, but he's not a HoFer



pioneer of what???
2/1/11 7:51 PM
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Sherk is a top flight fighter. He is certainly leaving his mark on the fight game. I'm going to wait until he retires before considering qualifications for UFC Hall of Fame.

I wouldn't rule him out. :)
2/1/11 8:00 PM
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Pernicious - He's a legend, he's a pioneer, but he's not a HoFer



pioneer of what???


The sport. Dude made a go of it during the dark ages.

Also, he was one of the first lighter weight fighters to use a quick pace and top position pressure to break people. And he did it @ 170 for a large portion of his career.
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 Say whatever you want about Sherk, but the guy has one of the most impressive resumes in the sport. The guy has fought virtually everyone and anyone worth mentioning in his weight classes.

His losses in his career include a prime Hughes and a physically larger GSP, a P4P champion and legend in BJ Penn, and the current LW champion in Frankie Edgar.

He's completely out-worked and imposed his will on virtually everyone else he's ever fought, and for a guy with 40+ victories, that says something.

HOF or not, his career deserves a lot more respect than some of the newb trash are giving him on this site.
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hmmmmmmmm don't see it.....

should drop to 135lbs and give it a go
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TheBear228 -  Say whatever you want about Sherk, but the guy has one of the most impressive resumes in the sport. The guy has fought virtually everyone and anyone worth mentioning in his weight classes.

His losses in his career include a prime Hughes and a physically larger GSP, a P4P champion and legend in BJ Penn, and the current LW champion in Frankie Edgar.

He's completely out-worked and imposed his will on virtually everyone else he's ever fought, and for a guy with 40+ victories, that says something.

HOF or not, his career deserves a lot more respect than some of the newb trash are giving him on this site.
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Sherk is one of the most overlooked guys in MMA history.  4 losses in 40+ fights, ONLY to fighters who have been UFC champ and defended their title at least once.
 
2/1/11 10:16 PM
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Horn first?
2/1/11 10:17 PM
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Even aside from the whole LnP issue (which imo is overstated) and his positive test and getting stripped, Sherk just hasn't had many top wins for his career. He hasn't beaten many opponents who were actually top contenders at the time. (Although the same statement applies to Rich Franklin as well, and that probably still won't keep him from being inducted anyway.)

Sherk's wins probably look better now on fightfinder, than they did in reality at the time.

Sherk's best win ever on paper thus far has probably been Dunham - which, in reality, was an EXTREMELY controversial decision, which most people (including his boss) didn't even think he really won in the first place. Sherk's best legitimate wins ever are over a somewhat slumping Nick Diaz (who had lost 2 straight to Diego and Riggs at that point), Tyson Griffin, Franca, and a still-developing KenFlo (who claims he only started training seriously, like a real professional, after that fight).

Those are all credible and talented opponents - but not really the best of the best at the time.

Sherk was also the biggest paper champion in UFC history, where he beat a Florian who wasn't even arguably top-10 at the time, who was NOT a legitimately established contender yet (like he would later become), who hadn't beaten anyone who was even top-20 for his career to that point.

Sherk also beat a VERY young Karo and Manvel early on (when they were 18 and 19 years old, respectively), before they were even remotely top contenders yet, although on paper Karo is now one of Sherk's biggest "name" wins ever, since he (like Florian) went on to subsequently establish himself as elite.

Sherk's best win over an actual top contender at the time was probably Tyson Griffin or maybe still Hermes (who was now on a good streak again, although Hermes was no longer considered top-10 at that point).

In fact, Sherk has never beaten a single top-5 fighter for his career. (And the best guy he ever finished was Radach, or maybe even an 18-year-old Karo already.)

Sherk has only lost to the best - but he hasn't really beaten the best.

Even IF people found his fights excitingly dominant or memorable, and even IF he hadn't tested positive after his title defense - even based purely on wins alone, Sherk should not qualify as a "Hall of Famer" anyway. Not saying that Sherk wasn't an elite fighter (he definitely was) who could at least be competitive with the best of the best (his performance against Hughes alone was enough to prove that in itself). But he just never actually beat the best of the best.

A great fighter at the time - but based on accomplishments, not lastingly great or significant enough to be truly HoF-worthy. At least so far.
2/1/11 10:21 PM
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 With an asterix, maybe lol.
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 Can't believe all the people hating on Sherk. Dude not only was a champion, but his ONLY losses came to people who already were champ or who were on their way to becoming champ, 2 of whom were in a weight class above his natural one. Hughes is in the HoF, yet he lost to Hallman twice in under a minute and they have a similar number of fights. Sherk is a monster, and he deserves way more recognition than he gets.
2/2/11 1:45 AM
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 He was awesome.

22 fight win streak to start.

And it was bullshit that he had to go back to work to make ends meet then comes back and gets GSP his first fight back.

Didnt look prepared or confident going in.

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