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2/14/11 12:39 PM
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That darkreflection guy is a complete retard. Op follows along just fine. Phone Post
2/14/11 12:44 PM
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Ufc feed their "big names" cans/washed up ppl as well Phone Post
2/14/11 1:03 PM
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 As of this writing, i have not recieved moneys.
2/14/11 1:08 PM
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Smith1234 - One point on the can stuff is champs should not be fighting cans when they are title holders. They should be like Randy, title fight after title fight, not like Wandy and Fedor with a healthy (maybe 50%) dose of cans thrown in there.

 You really can't compare Japanese MMA at its peak to present day North American-centric MMA. I'ts just a different thing.

Fedor, Cro Cop, Wand, etc all fought lesser competition in between big fights...but there were times where Cro Cop/Wand were fighting 6 times a year or so. The only real comparison I can think off the top of my head that would be similar in recent years is Anderson Silva taking a fight like James Irvin in between legit fights.
2/14/11 1:18 PM
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Harlemsavoy 19 hours ago You can't take their records after the fact and consider that as proof. At the time, Randleman was a beast and tossin' fools around. Some of those guys were before his "known" days and being considered a threat in pride. You guys won't be happy until you tear anyone who has done well down... It's really pretty sad. Phone Post
2/14/11 1:36 PM
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DarkReflection - ^^^

That's because the HW division has been really weak until very recently.

Cheers

-DR

 Agreed. We should now refer to the HW division as BL (Before Lesnar = shit don't count) or AL (After Lesnar = HW division is finally legit.)
2/14/11 5:14 PM
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OveREEMed A New Butthole - It's all about perspective, you're forgetting that the guy's career spanned over 10 years.

He fought the best competition available back then, and in their respective time, many of those guys were considered to be great.

It's like going back in Formula 1 history and mocking the old cars for being slow a family VW nowadays would overtaken them, but in their day they were the fastest cars on earth.

You look at them now as a new fan and Coleman, Randleman, Herring, Sakuraba, Shamrock, Kosaka, Babalu, etc... are all cans, but years ago they were very formidable and the best, it's just that time goes by. When Fedor fought Babalu, he was considered to be one of the top guys in the world.

Tank is considered to be a total can, but you go back in time and ask the fans about Tank and he was one of the most dangerous UFC guys, people were afraid of him.

Fedor fought many of those guys when they were at their best and won, in their time those fights were very relevant.

Fuck, if anybody remembers how big of a shock it was when Herring beat Tom Erikson will understand.
Quoted for FUCKING Truth.

I'm really getting sick of all the "....but....but, he's never fought Brock...or Cain...or etc!".  Yeah, he didn't because AT THE TIME they weren't anywhere NEAR top 10....or top 20 (for that matter).

Fact: during the prime of PrideFC (regardless of '06) Fedor fought THE TOP competition on the planet and looked amazing doing so.  It is due to this fact that until someone comes along and TAKES that title from him (no bullshit like the fans giving it to this guy because I like him alot), Fedor will be (and currently is) the greatest fighter of all time.  

Personally given the way they have won (and how they fight), no one comes close to his legacy (IMO).  Silva/GSP/etc, have not won nearly as convincinly over top-tier talent to even be considered.  Silva needs to not get his ass kicked for 15 minutes and pull off a lucky sub (or stop dancing around like a facking idiot and actually finish the fight, if he has the tools to finish it, finish it like he did with Belfort) and GSP has hugged his way to too many victories.  FLAME ON UG!
 

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As things stand now, Fedor is the GOAT. Things do change ofcourse, and Cain or Silva could claim that position, but not just yet imo.
 
2/14/11 6:14 PM
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 In the words of Wyclef Jean;

"Where my money at?"
2/14/11 6:20 PM
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epwar - So if you take out those 17 wins, his real record is 15-3.


So you remove TK from his wins but not from his losses????

Even though the loss to TK was contentious?
2/14/11 6:24 PM
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this thread should be deleted immediately for vast stupidity
2/14/11 6:40 PM
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DarkReflection - ^^^

That's because the HW division has been really weak until very recently.

Cheers

-DR



But Fedor has always fought in the HW division so how come that excuse doesn't also excuse him?

Answer the question.

10+ fights without 50% cans at HW........

Brock? Cain? JDS?

JDS LOST to a freaking can.
2/14/11 7:11 PM
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From another thread

Heavyweight all time list (taken from fight matrix) put his record next to the fighters and he is 8-0 against the best 10 heavys of all time lol... Rank Fighter
1 Fedor Emelianenko
2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 2-0
3 Randy Couture
4 Josh Barnett
5 Mirko Filipovic1-0
6 Bas Rutten
7 Mark Coleman 2-0
8 Tim Sylvia1-0
9 Semmy Schilt1-0
10 Andrei Arlovski 1-0
2/14/11 7:25 PM
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Pro Ice - From another thread

Heavyweight all time list (taken from fight matrix) put his record next to the fighters and he is 8-0 against the best 10 heavys of all time lol... Rank Fighter
1 Fedor Emelianenko
2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 2-0
3 Randy Couture
4 Josh Barnett
5 Mirko Filipovic1-0
6 Bas Rutten
7 Mark Coleman 2-0
8 Tim Sylvia1-0
9 Semmy Schilt1-0
10 Andrei Arlovski 1-0


Superb!

And out of that list he could only fight 8 guys realistically since he can't fight himself and he was slightly too late for Bas Rutten (although not impossible they could have met it was highly unlikely unless Rutten had made a comeback against serious competition between 2000 and 2006 when he fought Warpath).

So he's fought 6 out of the possible 8 he even reasonably could have.

And of the 2 he hasn't he was signed to fight one (this was after Barnett had TWICE passed up on the chance to fight Fedor) who pissed hot and wanted to fight Couture but the UFC wouldn't allow it (and the ball was in motion on that one too).
2/14/11 7:50 PM
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Yep,
He wanted and tried to fight Randy the UFC Fcked that up
Tried to fight Barnett and he Fcked that up
Yeah he's been ducking top competition.for years
He pretty much cleaned out the All Time HW division
Only other fighters record that compares is the #2 greatest HW of all time Nog who has fought and beat everybody on that
list except Arlovski and Bas
2/14/11 8:06 PM
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Tito is considered top 5 by many, and his record is even worse than those 17 wins.
2/14/11 8:25 PM
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Pro Ice - Yep,
He wanted and tried to fight Randy the UFC Fcked that up
Tried to fight Barnett and he Fcked that up
Yeah he's been ducking top competition.for years
He pretty much cleaned out the All Time HW division
Only other fighters record that compares is the #2 greatest HW of all time Nog who has fought and beat everybody on that
list except Arlovski and Bas


AND let us note that in the top 10 ALL TIME we see none of the current "new generation" from the UFC and it cannot be a coincidence that the vast majority of the All Time list is comprised of guys in Pride circa 2005/6 and their counterparts in the UFC at that time.

Even Semmy Schilt who many laugh at when discussing MMA is in their.

The haters just can't beat the cold, hard FACTS.
2/14/11 8:30 PM
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lol this thread has backfired in legendary fashion.
2/14/11 8:46 PM
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Smith1234 - Here is a list for Wandy, these mismatches are way worse than almost all of Fedor's.


1. 1999 - Wandy at 8-2 versus Carl Malenko at 1-1 (Carl wound up 3-3)

2. 1999 - Wandy at 9-2 versus Matsui at 1-1-2. Matsui ran his record to 10-19-4.

3. 2000 - Wandy versus Todd Medina at 4-4. Todd ran his record to 8-8.

4. 2001 - Wandy versus 1-1 Oyama. Oyama ran his record to 8-11.

5. 2001 - Wandy versus 2-8 Otsuka. Otsuka ran his record to 4-13.

6. 2002 - Wandy versus a tiny Tamura.

7. 2002 - Wandy versus a 0-0 Iwasaki. Iwasaki finished at 0-1.

8. 2002 - Wandy versus a 14 - 9 - 1 Kanehara. Kanehara ran his record to 17-22-1.

9. 2005 - Wandy vs Nak a 6-3, who ran his record to 13-10.

10. 2006 - Wandy vs a 1-0 Souza, who ran his record to 2-1.



Don't forget Bisping..
2/14/11 9:01 PM
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 This thread is ridiculous.

Amongst all of Fedor's fights only 6 fights have gone to a decision. Most of his fights ended by KO or sub in which Fedor usually won. 

Modern Day Tyson IMO. 
2/14/11 9:13 PM
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Brock75thRanger - 
MrColdCock - Win Sean Gray TKO (Punches)
Win Masaaki Satake TKO (Slam)
Loss Daijiro Matsui DQ (Knee to Groin)
Win Yuki Ishikawa KO (Punches)
Win Alexander Otsuka TKO (Doctor Stoppage)
Win Kenneth Williams Submission (Rear Naked Choke)
Win Bryson Haubrick Submission (Punches)
Win Rocko Henderson Submission (Kimura)
Win Dave Taylor TKO (Corner Stoppage)
Win Charlie West Decision GC 1 -
Win Rob Smith Decision (Unanimous)
Win Warren Owsley Submission (Armbar)
Win Ron Rumpf TKO (Punches)
Loss Marvin Eastman Decision (Unanimous) KOTC 4 - Gladiators 6/24/2000 2 5:00
Win Marco Bermudaz Submission (Rear Naked Choke) A
Win Mike Pyle

If Randleman and TK are cans then Eastmanx2 and Pyle are.


Pyle is a can? lol nice try,he is 20-7 and has a win over Fitch and gave Hathaway is only loss.I was very fair when i made Fedors can list,i expect the same standard


Fair enough. That was Pyle's first fight. I guess I will sub Pyle with... Randleman. Pay up.

Pro Ice is on fire by the way.
2/14/11 9:15 PM
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This thread is fucking stupid.

Fedor was/ is considered the goat for his record that had one loss by DQ where the illegal elbow was thrown.

Taking out the "cans," like Randleman and the DQ, and dis-counting the last two losses that makes Fedor 15-0 not, "15-3." What is the record for most consecutive wins in the octagon? Of those 15 opponents, 7 were former UFC champions, and how much "better" of competition would Fedor have faced prior to 2008?

Look at Brock, 5-2, yet somehow he is a godsend to the sport, when he can't even take a fucking punch. Fedor has someone who is the same size as Brock Hammer-fisting him for three rounds in the mount, and still doesn't pussy out.

Gimme a break.
2/14/11 9:19 PM
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Not too mention that's how pride worked. You throw in a few appetizers before the main course.
2/14/11 9:22 PM
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"Tito is considered top 5 by many, and his record is even worse than those 17 wins."


Nobody considers Tito top five.
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So dumb.
2/14/11 11:22 PM
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you can do this ALLLLLLLLLL DAAYYYYYYY LONNNNNG for any fighter..

also, i dont consider tsuyoshi kosaka a can..

on top of that, thats working your way up in rank.. part of the job...

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