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2/15/11 9:10 PM
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Oh man. Posters like Brock75thRanger and DarkReflection are what happens when noobs discover fightfinder. They learn the letters that make up a language, but without knowing what the words they form actually mean.

Btw, Pro Ice has just been killin' it. Props. So has MrColdCock, as usual.

But still can't get over how Kevin Randleman was now just a "can" at the time. Unreal. Randleman was not only already a former UFC HW champion, but was just coming off the single biggest, most impressive win of his entire career over a top-3 Cro Cop, and had burst back into the rankings and was once again a consensus top-10 fighter at the time. By no reasonable measure was Randleman even remotely a "can," but more a credible contender going into that fight.

By no reasonable standard of definition was TK a "can" as well, who was still easily a top-20/top-15 HW at that point. Ogawa and Goodridge may not have been elite, but they weren't "cans" either. Ogawa was a 7-0 prospect in MMA at the time after having been a legit world-class athlete, a 4-time World Champion and one of the most decorated competitors in judo history - and Goodridge was at the very least, a legitimately dangerous gatekeeper.

If TK, Ogawa, Goodridge and ESPECIALLY Randleman were "cans" - then so were many, if not most, of the opponents for SEVERAL all-time greats. For instance, MOST of Anderson's opponents were WORSE than Randleman, since MOST of them were less legit contenders or established competition than Randleman was at that point.

Hell, same goes for Nog - and Nog is without any reasonable question the second most accomplished HW ever - where he and Fedor beat more top opponents at the time than any other HW in MMA history. Same goes for Wanderlei, who was arguably the greatest 205-er of the previous decade. And the same EASILY goes for Hughes - who has BOTH a higher total AND a higher percentage of wins over so-called "cans" than Fedor does - and Hughes was arguably the greatest 170-er and the greatest UFC champion of the previous decade as well.

But the bottom line is, just strip away or completely exclude all of those filler wins for each - and all of them STILL beat MANY top opponents at the time - just like Fedor did. And no one in fact ever beat more of those top opponents at the time, more continuously and dominantly without losing, than Fedor did.

Again, this is what happens when noobs read through fightfinder without any personal index of context or perspective.
2/15/11 9:33 PM
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Oh man. What an epic backfire of a thread.
Brock75thRanger - 100 dollars paypal'd to anyone who can find 1 fighter who has fought this many cans in his career and considered to be an alltime great,top 5 in his division.yes i guarantee 100 dollars by the end of today
Hmmm. Seems that the OP owes, according to his own word, quite a few people $100 here.

So far, we have Hughes, Anderson, Nog, Wanderlei, Rampage, who would all reasonably fulfill all of the conditions specifically laid out in that post. So has anyone received payment yet? After all, Brock75thRanger did specifically "guarantee 100 dollars by the end of today."
2/15/11 10:44 PM
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If you think TK is a can, then you don't know SHIT about MMA.
2/15/11 11:55 PM
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He beat Randleman right around the time Kevin KO'd Crocop..he was not a can!!


...right around the time Randleman called HIMSELF "the worst fighter in his division", that division being the one below heavyweight.
2/16/11 12:37 AM
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whistleblower - Oh man. What an epic backfire of a thread.
Brock75thRanger - 100 dollars paypal'd to anyone who can find 1 fighter who has fought this many cans in his career and considered to be an alltime great,top 5 in his division.yes i guarantee 100 dollars by the end of today
Hmmm. Seems that the OP owes, according to his own word, quite a few people $100 here.

So far, we have Hughes, Anderson, Nog, Wanderlei, Rampage, who would all reasonably fulfill all of the conditions specifically laid out in that post. So has anyone received payment yet? After all, Brock75thRanger did specifically "guarantee 100 dollars by the end of today."


he said he would paypal me the money but he hasn't even responded to me yet. sooooo
2/16/11 12:43 AM
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This thread should be re-titled "careers Fedor has ended"

And how about you put the stats AS THEY WERE AT THE TIME OF THE FIGHT? Not saying some of those guys aren't cans, but your logic here is non-existent.

Mark Coleman wasn't a 'can' either time he fought fedor...does winning a Pride GP at man-strength age count as being washed up?

Go train in real life a little...then go watch some more mma...then go to college
2/16/11 1:05 AM
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orcus - 
He beat Randleman right around the time Kevin KO'd Crocop..he was not a can!!


...right around the time Randleman called HIMSELF "the worst fighter in his division", that division being the one below heavyweight.


So what are you saying orcus? Are you saying that Kevin Randleman was a can at the time?
2/16/11 1:10 AM
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whistleblower - Oh man. What an epic backfire of a thread.
Brock75thRanger - 100 dollars paypal'd to anyone who can find 1 fighter who has fought this many cans in his career and considered to be an alltime great,top 5 in his division.yes i guarantee 100 dollars by the end of today
Hmmm. Seems that the OP owes, according to his own word, quite a few people $100 here.

So far, we have Hughes, Anderson, Nog, Wanderlei, Rampage, who would all reasonably fulfill all of the conditions specifically laid out in that post. So has anyone received payment yet? After all, Brock75thRanger did specifically "guarantee 100 dollars by the end of today."


I believe Torres and Overeem both made the list as well. $700... That sucks. That's a lot of allowance money right there.
2/16/11 1:11 AM
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 You left off all the fighters who are washed up like Sylvia and Arlovski which padded his record also.  
2/16/11 1:39 AM
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Brock75thRanger - ill send tonight,prob late.I think the card i have with paypal is expired,will update and send later


So I guess he isn't going to pay as he hasn't responded to multiple pm's or posted on this thread.

He has however been posting on the OG

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=2&thread=1775451&page=4
2/16/11 4:24 AM
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nhmmafan - If you think that Patrick Cote, Travis Lutter, Tony Fryklund, Ryo Chonan and Luiz Azeredo are cans that you are a fucking retard.

But again, this is by the same Randleman standard for "can," specifically set up by the OP. If even Kevin Randleman, former UFC HW champion who had just KTFO'd a top-3 Cro Cop in his last fight, who was top-10 in the rankings again, and who had actually beaten multiple top opponents for his career - MORE than ALL of those guys listed COMBINED ever did - was still a "can" anyway, then so were all of those opponents for Anderson as well.

Easily. (Again, under that same Randleman threshold.) ALL of them were worse, or considered distinctly less elite or significant opponents than Randleman was at that point, right after the Cro Cop win. Hell, Goodridge is being counted as a "can" as well, and even he was about the same level of gatekeeper (only with better wins) than someone like James Irvin.

Lutter and Cote, despite being so-called "#1 contenders," had - completely unlike Randleman - never beaten anyone who was even ARGUABLY top-10 at the time. Leites, another so-called "#1 contender" has one official top-level "win" for his entire career - over Marquardt, in a fight which Leites "won" for getting beaten UP in that fight, but still eking out based on penalty points. But otherwise, Leites had never legitimately beaten an even top-20 opponent at the time, for his entire career.

So again, completely unlike Randleman, NONE of those "#1 contenders" had ever legitimately beaten a top opponent before - nor have they since. And ultimately they were NEVER as legitimately established a top fighter as Randleman was. So if Randleman was a "can" - then so were they. So were MOST of Anderson's opponents.

But I would agree that if you think all of those guys were "cans" for Anderson, that "you are a fucking retard" as well - except by the SAME standard where guys like TK, Goodridge, Ogawa, and even Randleman would be defined as "cans," that would likewise be the virtually necessary conclusion for Anderson's opponents as well. So then isn't that standard for "can" that was established by the OP, that of "a fucking retard" in the first place?
2/16/11 4:56 AM
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DarkReflection - Like it or not here's how it is.

Fedor WAS THE BEST HW IN THE SPORT BASED ON MERIT.

That's a fact...

NOW...the keyword there is...WAS

He isn't anymore.

The big issue is people are hanging onto this notion of him being "GOAT"...this IS NOT TRUE.

Greatest Of All Time..implys that there has NEVER been a HW fighter BETTER than Fedor.

This is NOT TRUE.

There are HW's NOW that are BETTER THAN FEDOR EVER WAS.

FEDOR ON THE BEST DAY OF HIS PRIME WOULD...LOSE...AGAINST THE BEST HWS OF TODAY.

THAT is the only real issue here.

Only blatant haters refuse to acknowledge that Fedor was at one time the best HW in the world.

Only irrational Fedor fanboy "Delusionalists" refuse to acknowledge that Fedor, "prime" or not..would lose to some of the best HW's of today.

Case closed gentlemen.

Cheers

-DR
Greatest of all time does not imply this.  It implies that there has never been a HW fighter with a better overall career than Fedor.  

You say Fedor would lose to certain fighters like it is a guarantee.  This is not the case.  Apparently you still have yet to learn that anything can happen in MMA.  Fedor at the end of his career is still a tough fight for any current HW.

How a "prime" Fedor would do against a given fighter is pure speculation.  Your speculation is not better than anybody else's speculation, particularly considering you are relatively new to the sport.  Your speculation is certainly not fact. 

2/16/11 5:23 AM
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DarkReflection -

*chuckle*

Right..make assumptions about me...I'm sure rebuttal would be really productive right?

have fun...

Cheers

-DR
How long have you been more than a casual MMA fan? 
Please attempt to rebute the other points I brought up.
 
2/16/11 5:56 AM
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DarkReflection - Like it or not here's how it is.

Fedor WAS THE BEST HW IN THE SPORT BASED ON MERIT.

That's a fact...

NOW...the keyword there is...WAS

He isn't anymore.

The big issue is people are hanging onto this notion of him being "GOAT"...this IS NOT TRUE.

Greatest Of All Time..implys that there has NEVER been a HW fighter BETTER than Fedor.

This is NOT TRUE.

There are HW's NOW that are BETTER THAN FEDOR EVER WAS.

FEDOR ON THE BEST DAY OF HIS PRIME WOULD...LOSE...AGAINST THE BEST HWS OF TODAY.

THAT is the only real issue here.

Only blatant haters refuse to acknowledge that Fedor was at one time the best HW in the world.

Only irrational Fedor fanboy "Delusionalists" refuse to acknowledge that Fedor, "prime" or not..would lose to some of the best HW's of today.

Case closed gentlemen.

Cheers

-DR



why dont you quit talking shit and pay the money owed. oh yeah, because your a faggot troll. nuff said
2/16/11 7:27 AM
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Dark reflection.... You're wrong bro... Tuck your dick and ego and admit it Phone Post
2/16/11 4:59 PM
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ttt for answers from Brock75thRanger as to "where my money at?"
2/16/11 6:36 PM
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Harlemsavoy -  You can't take their records after the fact and consider that as proof. At the time, Randleman was a beast and tossin' fools around. Some of those guys were before his "known" days and being considered a threat in pride.

You guys won't be happy until you tear anyone who has done well down... It's really pretty sad.

2/16/11 6:49 PM
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Greatest of all time does not imply this. It implies that there has never been a HW fighter with a better overall career than Fedor.


There are lots of definitions of "greatest", and in discussing who earns that title, everyone should make sure they are agreeing on which is being used.

1) Most wins, fewest losses

2) Most wins over top 10 opponents

3) Most wins over guys who were actually considered excellent fighters

4) Best fighter (i.e. would beat everyone else, past or present)

5) Had the most impact
2/16/11 7:02 PM
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It is official Brock75thRanger has officially dicktucked. He has welched on his promise of $100.
2/16/11 7:08 PM
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^^^ No way! I can't believe it
Didn't he end up owing like a 1000$
2/16/11 7:11 PM
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Brock75thRanger - gdp and hobo pm me,you each got 50 bucks coming your way tonight


well he actually agreed to pay me and hobo. what a dick tuck
2/16/11 7:23 PM
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^^^ Sorry man not sure he woulda payed anyways, but there were like ten other people that named fighters that had fought More Cans so he would have had to pay alot more then 100$ out.
2/16/11 7:33 PM
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^ yeah I guess, just sad to see this guy dick tuck like that.
2/16/11 7:42 PM
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You know what?  If it shuts the idiots up & makes the go away, then it's worth it, although it sucks that you guys didn't get your $$$.

Maybe the mods should implement a ban rule if someone proposes something like this & doesn't follow through.


2/16/11 7:59 PM
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^ any welchers should be ip banned. if you propose something like this and you don't pay or if you make a bet and you don't pay IP BAN IMO.

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