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2/14/11 7:10 PM
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BanjaCop
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 I had a mentor tell me once that the biggest difference between CHristianity and any other religion (speaking in generalities of course) is that CHristianity is the only (modern day) relgion that acknowledges that without help you are in fact, essentially screwed, and that nothing YOU do will fix it.

Can anyone name anyhting to the contrary? I've always smiled thinking about this and it's amused me, just thought I'd share.
2/14/11 8:06 PM
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Explain what your conveying in 6th grade English. What do you mean by screwed? Ill assume your talking about Grace? if so, I guess most all religions that I can think of tend to be based on individual works, or personal action to appease a deity. Often with a consolation prize at the end. In "Christianity" there's no individual or collective works that lead to salvation. Phone Post
2/14/11 8:09 PM
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^^^^is Grace what you are referring to? I don't really understand what you mean by acknowledging you need help or your screwed. Please clarify sir. Phone Post
2/14/11 8:32 PM
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 Understood rightly I think your mentor is essentially correct.  I believe in the Biblical concept of synergy, which is that we combine our efforts with God's grace, but without God's grace yes we would be "screwed" in the sense of committing metaphysical suicide.  It isn't so much that we will cease to exist (God doesn't begrudge any person his existence) but rather that we will not be fit for the world to come and essentially be still born in the resurrection.  Even in this short life I think you can see people falling deeper into darkness and curling in on themselves as they become more selfish.  

If he means the Calvinist concept of total depravity then I vehemently disagree.  We have to freely choose to accept the grace and then work very hard to aquire the holy spirit in the Christian life.  There is a difference between saying we could never be saved by our own efforts and saying no effort on our part will be required.  The way I once heard it put is that salvation is like a free ride to college for a poor kid.  Everything is taken care of, but he still has to show up to class and study hard to make the gift come to fruition.  He wouldn't have made it to college at all without the free ride, but he won't get through if he doesn't add his efforts to the mix.  
2/16/11 1:30 PM
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Ridgeback -  If he means the Calvinist concept of total depravity then I vehemently disagree.


you and me both!
4/12/11 5:44 PM
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You can't disagree with Total Depravity because Scripture affirms it in multiple places. It doesn't matter if it "doesn't sit well with you" or you don't "buy it". The Bible states clearly that "in my flesh dwelleth no goodly thing", "in sin did my mother conceive me", and "behold I was shapen in iniquity". Also Romans 3:10 says "There is none righteous, no, not one." Then 3:23 says, "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." Clearly, because of Adam's sin, we were born radically depraved, incapable of coming to Christ on our own, exercising our free will to do evil. Phone Post
4/12/11 5:51 PM
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But I do disagree. And so do many others.
4/12/11 7:37 PM
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Disagree all you want. It doesnt change that God has a perfect, flawless plan in mind and is executing it to perfection without your help, opinion or aid. I know it's difficult to accept that you may not be able to "control" your own destiny, but that's not what Calvinism says. Calvinism says that you have free will, but you've already chosen to do evil. It takes an act of God to save a man, for man, by himself, will never come to God. Phone Post
4/12/11 8:35 PM
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PastorJosh -  Disagree all you want. It doesnt change that God has a perfect, flawless plan in mind and is executing it to perfection without your help, opinion or aid. I know it's difficult to accept that you may not be able to "control" your own destiny, but that's not what Calvinism says. Calvinism says that you have free will, but you've already chosen to do evil. It takes an act of God to save a man, for man, by himself, will never come to God. Phone Post

 So you're one of the lucky ones, eh?
4/12/11 9:33 PM
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Lucky? Please don't insult God. Like I said, you have a free will. Calvinism doesn't teach that you have no choice. Phone Post
4/12/11 9:36 PM
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scary eh?
4/12/11 9:37 PM
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PastorJosh - Lucky? Please don't insult God. Like I said, you have a free will. Calvinism doesn't teach that you have no choice. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


PJ - whats your view on limited atonement?
4/12/11 9:45 PM
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PastorJosh -  Lucky? Please don't insult God. Like I said, you have a free will. Calvinism doesn't teach that you have no choice. Phone Post

 I'd say that being one of the few chosen by God to be saved, one of those upon whom he choses to show mercy and grace, definitely makes you more 'lucky' than someone who hasn't been chosen. The way I understand it, no one chooses God, God chooses and he only chooses a few, comparatively speaking. Is that right?
4/13/11 1:36 AM
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5pointer - it might make some people laugh to know that I'm an Assemblies of God pastor who is a Calvinist, lol! But my view on limited atonement, to be perfectly honest, is still in formation. I wrestle with it every single day. Phone Post
4/13/11 1:39 AM
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Grakman - that is correct, in a manner of speaking. But it is not luck, not by any stretch. I know what you mean, but let's give God the respect He deserves. There is no such thing as luck. If there was, that means God doesn't have control over that area, and he would cease to be God. Phone Post
4/13/11 12:45 PM
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 Thanks Josh...i was so worried about that part in the christian cannon, where every knee shall bow and every toungue confess....i kept thinking how is Father going to hear me, if He lets all these other people in, but now i know it will only be the lucky ones like me...sorry bout your damn lousy luck, cause your not on the list.
4/13/11 8:27 PM
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Sarcasm and crude jokes don't change the facts, man. Keep it going if you wish but I'm not going to play back at you. The Bible says what it says and you can disagree until the day you die. But the Word of God has never been more attacked than it is today, and it stands at the gravesite of all its biggest critics. Including you. Phone Post
4/14/11 2:41 AM
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Salvation is for all, not just those who believe what you believe, or what i believe, but for everyone.

the Christian cannon says alot of things, at one point it says that Jesus was alone in the desert, but yet the writers( the church of england) knew every word he said while he was alone in the desert.

You claim in a previous post that only the lucky chosen ones get to be saved, but yet the book you profess so loudly says that it must be taught in all corners of the earth, so that everyone has heard and had the chance to be saved, not just some lucky few.




4/15/11 9:06 AM
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 My favorite was this one..
In all other religions it is people reaching for God but christianity is God is reaching down to us.
4/15/11 10:14 AM
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Robert Wynne - Salvation is for all, not just those who believe what you believe, or what i believe, but for everyone.

the Christian cannon says alot of things, at one point it says that Jesus was alone in the desert, but yet the writers( the church of england) knew every word he said while he was alone in the desert.

You claim in a previous post that only the lucky chosen ones get to be saved, but yet the book you profess so loudly says that it must be taught in all corners of the earth, so that everyone has heard and had the chance to be saved, not just some lucky few.




Jesus Is famous for breaking all of mans favorite religious laws and beliefs. I think we will be surprised who is "saved" and who isnt in the end.

I forget the verse but the jist of it was - Many will call to me Abba Abba but I do not know them. I think that was a warning for those believe they are special because the believe that that is not going to save them.
 
4/17/11 8:51 AM
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 ^ yes, many will fall...salvation is such a childish concept as it is, many claim to have a relationship with Father, but they talk like they have no personal knowledge of him, just quoting what a book says, but never able to tell of Father, like Jesus did.
4/19/11 2:36 PM
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^^ Kind of like claiming to know the Father but blatantly ignoring His Word, right? Phone Post

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