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2/17/11 5:42 PM
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JoeVIP
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And I don't mean addiction. I play cash game 1/2 no limit at the local casino about once every 4 or 5 months. When I play I have trouble leaving the table. I usually grind a bit like most people who just sit down but I loosen up a little later. the last freaking 6 times I have played I have gotten up 5 to 6 hundred dollars and stayed at the table till it was all gone from bad beats and tilting.

Saturday I sat down at 9:30 with $200, max buy in here is $300 for the 1/2NL game. By 2am I was up to $750. I looked at the time and said I have my money for the sunday tourny and the wsop satilite on the 27th I should leave. But these drunk idiots kept sitting down just throwing there money away. The one to my left went all in after looking at 1 card for $165. The guy to my right called and I shoved with my AQ suited to push the guy to my right out and get it heads up. Crazy guy had Q10 I had A Q suited and of course he hits a 10. So now I want to win my money back against this guy. 6am roles around and one missed flush and two bad beats later I'm bust. Tilted my cash away when I should have left at 2am. Fuck me. I have done this 6 times in a row. Know I should leave then tilt my money away.
2/17/11 6:40 PM
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I don't see a problem. I don't think you're there to make money, I think you're there to have a good time and play some cards. What I've learned I'd that playing poker with the goal of making money is a serious endeavor, much like fighting in Mma for money. It's not something you do every 4 o 5 months. It would be like a guy jumping into the cage wheneve he felt like it, then wondering why he gassed after winning the first round. I think poker is a daily grind that requires the same discipline ad fighting as an income.
2/17/11 7:02 PM
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If you really want to lock in your profit, get up, cash out, have dinner and buy back in for $200 or whatever. You'll lose the important benefit of having a big stack, but it might help you play more carefully (not that the AQ play was wrong, just that you mentioned changing your game once you had won a big amount).
2/17/11 8:16 PM
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I actually changed my game when I lost. And your right I only play for fun. I'm not trying to be a pro poker player. I just like playing and do it so little that I stay after I get tiered and catch a bad beat. I kept telling myself one good hit and I'm gone and it never came. :(
2/17/11 8:18 PM
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 If the guy called $165 preflop at 1/2 then he probably isn't going to fold to a re-raise in that spot.  AQ against 2 other people isn't that great of a spot.  If these players are all as bad as you say they are, then surely you can be more patient and get the money in the middle in better spots (albeit, I understand that you don't play that many hands per hr in live poker).

That being said AQ vs Q10 preflop isn't an example of you tilting and is just natural variance that will happen.  If you want to make money and are willing to put it all in the middle preflop, you should probably take a dinner break and come back to the table when you can buy back for $200.  Also, the longer you play the more tired you will be, the more impatient you will become, and the more likely that you will lose money.
2/17/11 10:30 PM
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VectorWega -  If the guy called $165 preflop at 1/2 then he probably isn't going to fold to a re-raise in that spot.  AQ against 2 other people isn't that great of a spot.  If these players are all as bad as you say they are, then surely you can be more patient and get the money in the middle in better spots (albeit, I understand that you don't play that many hands per hr in live poker).

That being said AQ vs Q10 preflop isn't an example of you tilting and is just natural variance that will happen.  If you want to make money and are willing to put it all in the middle preflop, you should probably take a dinner break and come back to the table when you can buy back for $200.  Also, the longer you play the more tired you will be, the more impatient you will become, and the more likely that you will lose money.

 RRRRRRRRRRRR wrong answer .

SUPER EASY AUTO SHOVE

If a guy shoves looking at one card, and another guy flat calls its a EASY shove unless guy who flat calls has 1000+ and you have 1000 plus type stack sizes.

Also you need widen your shove range and mix it up when a guy is gonna blow all his money..

its a race to beat the fish.

Bad advice vector...dont give my fellow green brother bad advice or I will come to you 25 cent NL and putsoul reads on you and make you take up live poker at your local bar!

Joe it sucks pissing back a win...but when they start playing that bad its right to stay...

If you know you are prone to tilt then Vector told you at least one thing right..take a break, a walk, it helps.

You got your money in a GREAT spot with AQ.  

It was the right move by a mile.






 


2/17/11 11:15 PM
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wreckker - 
VectorWega -  If the guy called $165 preflop at 1/2 then he probably isn't going to fold to a re-raise in that spot.  AQ against 2 other people isn't that great of a spot.  If these players are all as bad as you say they are, then surely you can be more patient and get the money in the middle in better spots (albeit, I understand that you don't play that many hands per hr in live poker).

That being said AQ vs Q10 preflop isn't an example of you tilting and is just natural variance that will happen.  If you want to make money and are willing to put it all in the middle preflop, you should probably take a dinner break and come back to the table when you can buy back for $200.  Also, the longer you play the more tired you will be, the more impatient you will become, and the more likely that you will lose money.

 RRRRRRRRRRRR wrong answer .

SUPER EASY AUTO SHOVE

If a guy shoves looking at one card, and another guy flat calls its a EASY shove unless guy who flat calls has 1000+ and you have 1000 plus type stack sizes.

Also you need widen your shove range and mix it up when a guy is gonna blow all his money..

its a race to beat the fish.

Bad advice vector...dont give my fellow green brother bad advice or I will come to you 25 cent NL and putsoul reads on you and make you take up live poker at your local bar!

Joe it sucks pissing back a win...but when they start playing that bad its right to stay...

If you know you are prone to tilt then Vector told you at least one thing right..take a break, a walk, it helps.

You got your money in a GREAT spot with AQ.  

It was the right move by a mile.


I guess considering the situation it was a good spot, but it is not a GREAT spot statistically.  I do like your advise about increasing your shoving range though.  I guess with the way I play I don't shove preflop very often in cash games.  I do shove a lot post-flop either with the nuts or pretend-nuts though.

Anyways, all I was saying is that if he doesn't want to lose large sums of money fast he shouldn't get it all in preflop with AQ...you can tell a good spot based on years of experience but he only plays once every few months so it would probably be smarter for him to play conservatively because he can't possibly recognize all of the good and bad spots and if he loses a pot like this where he is likely to be 38% to scoop he is likely to tilt the rest of his money away too.
2/17/11 11:45 PM
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 He is the clue it was a GREAT SPOT

The guy looked at 1 card!

The other guy flat called!

Thats a great spot!


Whats he gonna do flat for 165 then shove?

Maybe?  The guy flatting there is gonna be behind AQ the VAST majority of time.. I need more info to give a even more accurate read of situation.

Think he is only behiind if guy flat called with kk aa or QQ..highly unlikely considering guy opened shoved 165$.

This is a great spot..you pass up chances like this you may control variance but you are missing out on HUGE +EV spot



2/18/11 2:12 AM
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wreckker has the hand down pat. Exactly how it went down and what I was thinking. The guy who called flashed his cards when he folded to my raise. He had A 5. I do believe if the guys were all playing good and tuff players not throwing there money away, I would have left. But drunk guys with money playing like that was hard to leave.
2/18/11 2:58 PM
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JoeVIP  - wreckker has the hand down pat. Exactly how it went down and what I was thinking. The guy who called flashed his cards when he folded to my raise. He had A 5. I do believe if the guys were all playing good and tuff players not throwing there money away, I would have left. But drunk guys with money playing like that was hard to leave.

 Joe I am a 14 year professional and even now losing back a win irratates me.....

BUT I know that when you face a spot like you did its a no brainer!

Plus you got the guy in the middle to leave his 165 in the middle.

So you are taking your 165 to win 330+ with a hand that dominates your opponet!

This is a GREAT scenario.

You guys are kucky to have those loose no linit cashgames to play in..its all limit up here in WA near my house .blaaaaah.

Discussing these hands makes me wwant to go back to NL live !







2/18/11 3:26 PM
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Wrekker, u have no idea how juicy the games are near me. yesterday I walked away with $1300..,after an hour of play.
2/18/11 3:58 PM
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 NICE^^^^^^^^^^

I have been haering form my buddy who just moved to newport how good games are....


Take as much as you can get ..LA is known for some of best game around..game selection you guys have is awesome


2/18/11 4:55 PM
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Yesterday was particularly good. A wealthy (I think) Middle-aged Japanese man had 2000 in front of him when I sat down. He liked to to force folds and after watching him do this over and over, I look down at pocket jacks and make a raise to $35 ($5 blinds). It fold to him and he makes it $135. I call. Flop is K-3-4. I check, he bets $200 and I shove over him and he folds. Then I showed him my hand because I wanted to encourage him to go after me. Hand after hand he entered while I waited for top 10 hands and let him make big bets into me after I made a large preflop raise knowing I'd isolate him.
2/18/11 4:57 PM
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Wrecker why don't you visit for a few days? I'll take you to the best game in l.a.
2/18/11 10:38 PM
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 Love to..^^^ BUT  still have child custody case ongoing putting a damper on any traveling..



2/18/11 10:40 PM
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I tried to read the books and watch dvd's on poker. I just never make it through. I love to play. Guess I just have to learn the expensive way. At the table.
2/19/11 9:24 PM
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 Wreckker is busto.  Confirmed.
2/19/11 9:26 PM
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JoeVIP  - I tried to read the books and watch dvd's on poker. I just never make it through. I love to play. Guess I just have to learn the expensive way. At the table.

 Nothing beats experience.  You can't expect to compete on a level playing field with players that have played hundreds of thousands more poker hands than you.
2/20/11 4:34 AM
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VectorWega -  Wreckker is busto.  Confirmed.

 mybusto is yourlottery.

step up  u penny player:}

i ll give u 5-1 whaetver stakes u want 


my fillet migon to your hambugrger.

I won 3900 bb's of your stakestoday andand should of won 9000  

im drunk ! and ill play u high and drunk:}





2/20/11 6:13 PM
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I ever make it up to washington Wrekker you will have to take me to your limit games.
2/20/11 6:55 PM
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JoeVIP  - I ever make it up to washington Wrekker you will have to take me to your limit games.
Sure Joe... I rarely play them but they are soft and place i go to has good food and cheap drinks....


 
2/20/11 8:27 PM
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 The game i deal here in middle GA is pretty wild like you're describing here Joe...It's $2/5 no limit w/ a bunch of drunk fish...There's always a couple drunk Indians that'll dump 2k apiece, a douche bag real-estate guy who's super LAG (when he gets there, he asks who has the biggest stack and covers it), couple old drunk retired military guys who are solid until drunk and down a buy in or two...Shit i could go on and on...I ALWAYS have one of my guys up here that I stake that can destroy these games, but as Wrekker was alluding to, the variance here is EXTREMELY HIGH.  That being said, you are GUARANTEED on any given night to get several great +EV spots like that...My boss lets anybody straddle other than the blinds, any amount...so when a couple of the gamblers get hooked, the straddles will be anywhere from $25-100 on EVERY hand...

Its unbelievable really, i just buy my guys in for 100bbs with a couple bullets behind on  the ready...Oh, and there's obv no cap on buy ins...on a good night there would def be over 20k in play
2/21/11 11:19 AM
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thats way to much for me.
2/21/11 2:10 PM
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phydeau - wreckker,

Do you know a Seattle area B&M pro named Martin Forsburg?

 Nope truth is I play in casino up here once a year...

I luv the internets too much

3/1/11 2:42 PM
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great thread, I can relate to Joe for sure

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