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3/3/11 8:56 AM
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UFC 127 referee Marc Goddard:

“When a fighter is fouled [groin shot, eye poke, head kick/knee when grounded etc] untentionally or otherwise it is not as simple as a straight DQ. Fighters get the chance to recuperate and recover unless it a straight fight ending scenario ie KO, cut, broken bone, dislocation etc. Doctors are called for an expert medical opinion and assessment.

“Fighters are, should, and must be asked the question "can you continue?" - this is to judge coherency and to give that fighter the option of not fighting on due to the foul that they have been subject to… I have had plenty of fighters choose not to continue. This, in the event of an intentional foul, awards them the DQ win.”

“If when Jorge was asked the question he said no, or I judged him as unsteady or in my experience unable to continue then the fight is waved off and he would have been awarded the win via DQ. Exactly the same steps, method and application should the foul have been the other way around would have been applied.

“Jorge was taken to the hospital immediately after his fight. He was released straight away after being again seen by doctors and there was no concussion incurred.”

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3/3/11 8:59 AM
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Jorge should have stopped. That knee was a game changer.

I think we will see more fighters deciding to end fights after illegal shots after this. UFC should have mandated an immediate rematch so that Rivera would not have taken a loss that he cannot avenge as a result of gamely (but not wisely) trying to go back out after an illegal strike.
3/3/11 9:12 AM
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Isn't that text ripped from another forum?
3/3/11 9:16 AM
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so Jorge didn't have a concussion, therefore if he had of stopped he would have been a pussy, thankfully he is not a pussy

Anyone advocating that he should have stopped is a pussy
3/3/11 9:32 AM
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It's great being right
3/3/11 9:34 AM
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this is what I expect to happen.

Now, knowing this, tell me why Jacare got a no contest when mayhem kicked him in the head which caused the fight to be stopped? it was stopped due to a cut from the illegal (and clearly intentional) kick.

should have been a DQ win for Jacare
3/3/11 9:38 AM
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Humphrey - this is what I expect to happen.

Now, knowing this, tell me why Jacare got a no contest when mayhem kicked him in the head which caused the fight to be stopped? it was stopped due to a cut from the illegal (and clearly intentional) kick.

should have been a DQ win for Jacare

I'm not sure but maybe the rule is different in Dream.
3/3/11 9:40 AM
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So there is a huge disincentive to continue fighting in a case like this? Seems like this will lead to more fights ending in DQ when the fight could have continued. Plus side may be that illegal strikes dissapear but IMO there should be some incentive to continue if you're deemed OK.

3/3/11 9:52 AM
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He wouldn't have lasted 5 mins in pride Phone Post
3/3/11 10:04 AM
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Jorge should have stayed down and gotton PAID. He would have then been given a rematch for sure, another payday. For any asshats that say staying down would have been being a PUSSY. You are a tool. "godsavethequeen" you sir are a moron, you cannot say he fought better after the knee. Everyone knows that is a lie. If he really fought better after that knee, he should have his corner knee him in the head before every fight? That sounds retarded, right? Just like your comments, retarded.
3/3/11 10:19 AM
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You have to look at the intent of the foul as well.
3/3/11 10:28 AM
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Humphrey - this is what I expect to happen.

Now, knowing this, tell me why Jacare got a no contest when mayhem kicked him in the head which caused the fight to be stopped? it was stopped due to a cut from the illegal (and clearly intentional) kick.

should have been a DQ win for Jacare

 What happens in situations like this is all based on whether the ref determined if the foul was intentional or unintentional. 

The ref must have determined that the kick was unintentional.
3/3/11 10:29 AM
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 DUH
3/3/11 10:52 AM
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 Bottom line is Jorge is the man for fighting on after a BLATANTLY intentional foul.  Bispings win is tainted because it will never be known how much the knee affected him but it is clear that it did have an affect and that it did alter the fight.  Bisping might have won anyway but he might have lost.  He cheated any way you look at it and then acted like a butthurt 15 year old school girl spitting on the cornermen.  He is a classless POS and anyone that defends him (GSTQ) is as well. 
3/3/11 10:53 AM
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If you run Bisping's record through an absurd victory filter, does he end up with like three recorded fights?
3/3/11 11:44 AM
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“Jorge was taken to the hospital immediately after his fight. He was released straight away after being again seen by doctors and there was no concussion incurred.”


Even his knees are pillows.

LOL
3/3/11 11:57 AM
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Archer0545 -  Bottom line is Jorge is the man for fighting on after a BLATANTLY intentional foul.  Bispings win is tainted because it will never be known how much the knee affected him but it is clear that it did have an affect and that it did alter the fight.  Bisping might have won anyway but he might have lost.  He cheated any way you look at it and then acted like a butthurt 15 year old school girl spitting on the cornermen.  He is a classless POS and anyone that defends him (GSTQ) is as well. 

 I'm genuinely disappointed you would post this.
I stand by the statement.  Your boy had to cheat to win.  He will not get away with it again.  He will get his step up in competition and it will end like it always does when he gets a decent opponent, with him flat on his back wondering what happened, and then he will stand up and claim he won the fight.
 
3/3/11 12:30 PM
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He wouldn't have had the chance to fight Jorge if you're doing the Pride rules argument.

Wandy would have stomped him all over the shop at UFC 110 when he dropped him in the third round.
3/3/11 1:04 PM
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Don't forget the blatant cage grab to gain advantage on the ground 

Bisping may have won the fight, but between the illegal knee, the cage grab, the spitting, it's really Rivera who comes out of this one on top in the eyes of the fans and the UFC brass.
3/3/11 1:11 PM
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 look at all the force he is putting into those punches and still couldn't knock him out.
3/3/11 1:41 PM
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Knees to the head on the ground should be legal anyway.
3/3/11 2:28 PM
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bisping is boring will never get a title and is just put on ppvs to waste time... fire him DFW.
3/3/11 2:30 PM
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people act like bisping is so important.

hes not even amounting to shit...

i dont understand why this is the brits great hope at all.
3/3/11 2:32 PM
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That punk, Jorge Rivera did so much smack talking before the fight that he put himself in a position where he couldn't puss out with the DQ. That's basically why he continued.
3/3/11 2:38 PM
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Rivera would have lost for not fighting on. By fighting on he will get a one free pass from the UFC when it comes time to cut him. Had he quit in the co-main event he would have been black balled for fucking up the event, cause that's how they roll.

Lets face it, the knee hit him in the hardest part of the forehead (known as the headbutt zone). Had it been the other way around and it was his knee on Bispings forhead he probably would have quit for the sake of his broken knee cap.

Either way, he was about to get a beatdown. As it turns out he will receive some love from the UFC for fighting on in a crucial fight to their card. He wins!

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