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3/26/11 3:30 PM
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Vincent Giordano
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 Samson retired because the pains he suffered years earlier from a car accident. He felt his body wasnt responding anymore and wanted to go out on top(around120 muay thai fights and 38 boxing).  He went back home and opened a restaurant and was teaching kids muay thai(Dont know if that is still the case or if the restaurant is still open). I am do to pay him a visit soon so i will report back. I dont remember him with a broken jaw at any time during training or after fights but i wasnt there all the time. I do have to say from all my years in thailand, he was the most positive, committed to training fighter i ever witnessed. Never lagged or was without enthusiasm day after day, year after year.  He truly loved life and doing what he did best. My teacher the head ajarn is one of the toughest, no bullshit trainers i met anywhere and even he had to admit Samson was a pure joy to have in the camp.  Total focus and committment thats what i remember about him.

Also i am surprised Puth Lawlek didnt make anyones lists, the 60s was dominated by Apideh and people like Ravee Dechachai.  and the 70s was dominated by Puth Lawlek and that era saw the likes seccchiang, vicharnnoi, phadejsuek, sirimongkol, saesank, pudpardnoi to name a few. Puth also set the million baht gate with his vicharnoi fight. His fighting style also i believe set the template for what was to come showing even balance and ability to move in and out of the clinch or take the fight to wherever it went. Of course, in the 80s you had diselnoi, samart, etc.  Puth is also an extraordinary trainer able to teach muay thai in a progressive manner that few can equal. You also have outstanding champs from the 30s like Samarn Dilokvilas who fought throught out thailand into malaysia and burma. In the 40s, people like sukh prasarthinpima. In the 50s,prayut, ghost tiger, somdej.  Some great fighters,each defining their eras in outstanding ways. Theres a rich history in modern  muay thai from 30s on, each building on the next, and producing outstanding champs who helped define the sport. The sport grew decade after decade and each champ or champs contributed to it.
  
3/26/11 3:41 PM
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^^ damn, makes me realize how little I really know about Muay Thai
3/27/11 12:23 AM
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thank you vincent....i have samson's documentary, he is relentless. also in the present time alot of people say that gamblers and bookies destroy popularity of muay thai, not like the golden era where the fighter purse was much bigger. what is your opinion?
3/27/11 2:04 AM
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DevinS - ^^ damn, makes me realize how little I really know about Muay Thai


I second that. I'd love to hear more from the more knowledgeable guys here like Vince and Khun Khao to talk more about different champs and match ups like they do a lot in boxing.
3/27/11 5:57 PM
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Vincent Giordano
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 Gambling has been part of fighting since it began and all through the bare knuckle era into the modern muay thai scene.  Its part of the culture even in Burmese boxing where its frowned upon its still active as hell. There are a lot of politics behind the scene in Muay Thai involving the military and various other organizations. Its successful and it makes money.  I think the sport has grown through the decades since its a relatively new sport only really becoming modern muay thai through the evolution from bare knuckle to its current state starting in the late 20s/ early 30s. Popularity wise its bigger than ever, the boom in farang camps and people traveling over there every day of the week, it wasnt that way in 1990 thats for sure. The rise of people like Buakaw on the international stage, some top world boxing champs(some former muay thai champs or fighters), the movies like Ong Bak have spurred it further.  Many of the older Thai people have a romanticized notion of the past  so you have to take that into account. There is good and bad in every sport but gambling is part of the Thai fight scene always has been and always will be.
3/28/11 10:46 PM
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The forum is lucky to have guys around like Khun Kao, Bryan72 and Vincent G. around to share insights.

I think it would be interesting to see how "greatest" lists vary between Thais and non-Thai audiences. I find myself completely floored when I come across a fighter of the 1980s or 1990s who is as skilled and sharp as they come but doesn't seem to carry the accolades of other boxers from the same period. Mention some names and a Thai might just shrug, whereas another boxer that doesn't seem to really shine seems to captivate or be held in high regard.

Much respect to the older fighters (Apidej, Put Lorlek, Muangsarin), but I think that folks would be pretty hard pressed to find a sustained period of muay Thai that was as concentrated and competitive as the 1980s-1990s.



*Slightly off topic, it was reported in the past week on K1 Fans that a 60 year old Put Lorlek and a 55 year old Sakad Petchyindee fought each other in a bout that hadn't managed to come about during their fighting days. That's old school for you right there.

3/29/11 8:33 AM
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Khun Kao
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@Vincent...

I know that your time is really limited, but could you tell us more about some of the pre-80's great fighters? I have to be honest that I'm primarily familiar with the fighters who were around when I started training. While I've *heard* of some of the fighters you've mentioned, I'm really unfamiliar with them and what made them so special.

Is there footage of these fighters you could refer us to watch?
3/30/11 12:03 AM
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Vincent Giordano
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 hi brooks!
I would just start with the 70s since it brings you right into the 80s and 90s.  You had the standouts of that era 
Puth Lawlek(Put Lorlek) who just won by the way a 5 round decision against another old  ex champ sakad, Vicharnnoi Porntawee,  Sirimongkol Luksiriprat, Sasensak Muangsurin, Kongdej, Pudpardnoi Worawot, Phadejsuek, secchiang.  The late Hardy Stockmans book on Muay Thai both the american version and the thai version really give you a good glimpse of muay thai through the 70s even offering the 1978 rankings. Its a good era to investigate and read about. Dont know what the easiest way is to search out the fights. I do have a special series that was once on thai tv and converted by a collector to dvd that seems to be circulating, i sell it through the vanishing flame special dvds, its a 5 dvd set:
disc one - 1958-1966
disc two - 1962-1972
disc three - 1963-1973
disc four - 1967-1979
disc five - is mixed with some more current fights
Its all in thai. There is alot on there and I dont have an index list of fights and fighters for them. Many collectors like this set and i hunted it down for the old fights as i am trying to get some of the older fights in the 40s,50s and 60s.
I havent looked at youtube/vimeo/etc  because i never have time for the above mentioned fighters so i assume thats a good start too. You guys seem to hunt out good stuff that way.  


 
3/30/11 4:16 AM
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here's a good page for some older fights

http://www.youtube.com/user/gaggam

and, just to be a jerk, I have in my hands 16 dvds, each 2 hours, of 60's-70's fights
3/30/11 7:39 AM
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*drools*

-starts counting pennies-
3/30/11 10:46 AM
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Vincent Giordano
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 Thanks, Bryan for the link I will take a peek later.  I have quite a bit from all the early eras but i havent had a moment to consolidate and mark them. I met some of the fighters and got old vhs tapes converted by its going to take a while before I ever get to them. I think also eventually you will see some more of the old material released on dvd from thailand.
 
3/31/11 9:55 PM
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Great link and some great info guys keep it coming !

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