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Frank Shamrock is one of the most vocal critics of the way the UFC does business. His chief complaint is that the fighters aren't put first because the UFC brand is more important. Lorenzo Fertitta defended the brand, telling HDNet's Mike Straka that unlike boxing, that brand sets up fighters for the future.

"Not to take anything away from the fighters, but at the end of the day, the UFC has to go on forever. It has to live forever, right?  Fighters are going to come, they're going to participate and then they're going to live with that brand and they're going to benefit from that brand for the rest of their life," said Fertitta (10:15 mark).

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Frank Shamrock is irrelevant.
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 it's nice to hear Lorenzo's opinion. most of them time Dana is the sole public face of the company.
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Any one fighter yes? But all fighters? NO
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 What a bright businessman.
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Is he wrong? I can't tell if that's sarcasm, I'll just assume it is. :)
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 He's right.
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Not true, if no other stars come along in the future, they're fucked.
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MillhouseMMA - Not true, if no other stars come along in the future, they're fucked.

 He is not saying that they don't need fighters, but that the brand is bigger than any one fighter.

And he's absolutely right.
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Hes correct. fighters in the ufc need to start a union and that has to start with the top drawing fighters because mid carders are easily replaced and dismissed. Guys Like gsp and anderson have to be at the forefront

Without a union, fighters are defenseless. however, as shown by fedor, when a fighter is bigger than the sport there are negative sides as well
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WrestlingSucks - Hes correct. fighters in the ufc need to start a union and that has to start with the top drawing fighters because mid carders are easily replaced and dismissed. Guys Like gsp and anderson have to be at the forefront

Without a union, fighters are defenseless. however, as shown by fedor, when a fighter is bigger than the sport there are negative sides as well

 A union will never happen.  Not in combat sports.
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lo is correct
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MillhouseMMA - Not true, if no other stars come along in the future, they're fucked.



stars can be manufactured son...take forrest for example...generally no athleticism or finishing power but hes one of the most popular ufc fighters ever
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jjj2121 - A union will never happen.  Not in combat sports.


Care to divulge?
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jjj2121 - A union will never happen.  Not in combat sports.


Care to divulge?

 The fighters are all pretty much independent contractors who are entirely out for themselves.  What would be the motivation for someone like Brock Lesnar to try and get a union started?  The stars get what they want now anyway.  Plus, the turnover rate is obscenely high with people coming and going nonstop from the UFC, how would the union cover guys who aren't in the UFC anymore? 

Unions have been tried and failed in boxing, I just don't see it ever happening.
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WrestlingSucks - Hes correct. fighters in the ufc need to start a union and that has to start with the top drawing fighters because mid carders are easily replaced and dismissed. Guys Like gsp and anderson have to be at the forefront

Without a union, fighters are defenseless. however, as shown by fedor, when a fighter is bigger than the sport there are negative sides as well

 A union will never happen.  Not in combat sports.


I would argue (american) football is worse on your body (specifically head injuries, ie. concussions) and they have a union. So you really can't say it will never happen.
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jjj2121 - A union will never happen.  Not in combat sports.


Care to divulge?

 The fighters are all pretty much independent contractors who are entirely out for themselves.  What would be the motivation for someone like Brock Lesnar to try and get a union started?  The stars get what they want now anyway.  Plus, the turnover rate is obscenely high with people coming and going nonstop from the UFC, how would the union cover guys who aren't in the UFC anymore? 

Unions have been tried and failed in boxing, I just don't see it ever happening.


How many Brock Lesnar's are out there? Just like how many Tom Brady's play in the NFL? A union wouldn't cover guys after their UFC career. Ex-NFL players see little to no benefits from the NFL once their careers are over. And all medical expenses are paid out of pocket ex-players. I know boxing has tried several times but a union would help stabilize the sport of MMA.
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jjj2121 - A union will never happen.  Not in combat sports.


Care to divulge?

 The fighters are all pretty much independent contractors who are entirely out for themselves.  What would be the motivation for someone like Brock Lesnar to try and get a union started?  The stars get what they want now anyway.  Plus, the turnover rate is obscenely high with people coming and going nonstop from the UFC, how would the union cover guys who aren't in the UFC anymore? 

Unions have been tried and failed in boxing, I just don't see it ever happening.


How many Brock Lesnar's are out there? Just like how many Tom Brady's play in the NFL? A union wouldn't cover guys after their UFC career. Ex-NFL players see little to no benefits from the NFL once their careers are over. And all medical expenses are paid out of pocket ex-players. I know boxing has tried several times but a union would help stabilize the sport of MMA.
I'm not saying it shouldn't happen, I'm just saying my opinion is that it won't.

Retired players absolutely get benefits in the NFL and one of the current negotiating points is increasing/expanding those benefits.

Re: Lesnar/Brady, the big names of the UFC would have to be on the front lines of this, little guys that tried to get a movement going would get flushed out.  I believe Pavia started throwing the U word around a couple years ago and he's been on the Zuffa shitlist ever since.
 
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MillhouseMMA - Not true, if no other stars come along in the future, they're fucked.

 That shouldn't be a problem. Take Jon Jones as an example. He wins next weekend and the guy could be a star for a very very long time.
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MillhouseMMA - Not true, if no other stars come along in the future, they're fucked.

 That shouldn't be a problem. Take Jon Jones as an example. He wins next weekend and the guy could be a star for a very very long time.
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jjj2121 - A union will never happen.  Not in combat sports.


Care to divulge?

 The fighters are all pretty much independent contractors who are entirely out for themselves.  What would be the motivation for someone like Brock Lesnar to try and get a union started?  The stars get what they want now anyway.  Plus, the turnover rate is obscenely high with people coming and going nonstop from the UFC, how would the union cover guys who aren't in the UFC anymore? 

Unions have been tried and failed in boxing, I just don't see it ever happening.


How many Brock Lesnar's are out there? Just like how many Tom Brady's play in the NFL? A union wouldn't cover guys after their UFC career. Ex-NFL players see little to no benefits from the NFL once their careers are over. And all medical expenses are paid out of pocket ex-players. I know boxing has tried several times but a union would help stabilize the sport of MMA.
I'm not saying it shouldn't happen, I'm just saying my opinion is that it won't.

Retired players absolutely get benefits in the NFL and one of the current negotiating points is increasing/expanding those benefits.

Re: Lesnar/Brady, the big names of the UFC would have to be on the front lines of this, little guys that tried to get a movement going would get flushed out.  I believe Pavia started throwing the U word around a couple years ago and he's been on the Zuffa shitlist ever since.
 



This Is what im saying. the top fighters have real negotiating power...until they don't by losing.

If gsp, anderson, lesnar, forrest, bj penn and company demanded benefits for fighters who have been employeed by the company for three year or more , the ball would begin to roll, imo.

I'm not talking about making prelim fighters millionaires. I'm talking about creating a balanced system that gives stability to those who are making the ufc money.

promoters have alot of leverage and the top fighters currently happy with their situation probably don't see what could be

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