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3/12/11 7:07 PM
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Todd Duffee
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 My other thread wouldn't post so lets try again.  If it did sorry.  I had the luxury of hearing of this possibility about two weeks ago so I have had time to brace for impact.  However I thought it would happen later in the year or next year. And heard that silicon valley sports(im not sure it was even silicon valley who sold) didn't want to sell the ufc and were looking for other buyers but looks like money talks. Lets remember we are still "in the leather helmet era of MMA."  I am aware there are a lot of possible negatives but I'd much rather hear what the positives are going to be an dwell on that.  At this point it should be embraced complaining isn't going to undue any thing.  

My first thought was all the great possible match-ups we will get to see.  I understand they will be operating separately for some time but I hope when they say cross promotion they are saying mega fights will happen not just strike force will have a booth at the fan expos.  

Next women's MMA will get a huge mainstream push I wasn't always a fan but the better they get the more I like it just the same. 

Some of the greatest fighters in the world won't have to hear the dreaded question of when will you get good enough to be in the UFC and instead get the respect they have already earned.  

MY FAVORITE  positive is that the UG will stop picking teams and stop the endlessly dumb trolling of the ufc is better than strike force and vice versa. And maybe this place will stop being such a waste land of bitching and crying. 

More unified rules and possibly better judging due to the fact that zuffa will have more power to help make those changes.  

Another step in gaining the same respect the NBA, NHL, NFL, MLB etc 

Strikeforce will now have the money to put on more shows meaning guys won't have to sit on the shelf for long periods of time.  

More shows means possibly more free shows.

More pull within the japanese market due to strikeforces good relations which might save Japanese mma.

The naysayers can now be ignored an we can rest assured that the tourney will go on.

Also the greater possibility of more tournaments in the future as a feeder into the big shows.  

Possibly better announcing which seems to be a huge complaint.  Maybe they buy that fellow off bellator jimmy i believe is his name. actually both they make a good team.

Okay I am reaching so lets hear it UG what are your positives to the buyout???????

Edited to Add I am not praising the buyout.  I like everyone else when they heard of the news sat around and talked about all the negatives.  But realizing it did me absolutely no good i decided to start this thread to see what the positives of the buyout could be jotting down some of my immediate positive thoughts..  As in usual fashion i was met with a bunch of negative uselessly angry posters.  This is not to get in good graces with zuffa I am a year and many wins away from them remembering my name or face.  










 
 
3/12/11 7:09 PM
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there will always be org team picking, Monsters ball and the like need something to make their threads about
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3/12/11 7:10 PM
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No more Gus Johnson. Hopefully when the showtime contract is up they can do something like Bas and the Voice or anything but that other guy.
3/12/11 7:10 PM
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Duffman speaks the truth.
3/12/11 7:11 PM
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UFC needs a regular non-PPV fight show with live cards like Bellator is doing
3/12/11 7:14 PM
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Todd Duffee -  I am aware there are a lot of possible negatives but I'd much rather hear what the positives are going to be an dwell on that.  At this point it should be embraced complaining isn't going to undue any thing...

... the UG will stop picking teams and stop the endlessly dumb trolling of the ufc is better than strike force and vice versa. And maybe this place will stop being such a waste land of bitching and crying. 

 

 Nice to see you have a postive attitude on this, and I like the idea of this thread, but you may be dreaming with this one  ;)
3/12/11 7:14 PM
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I was really hoping to see some super fights. But hopefully they clean up the broadcast a bit. No more Mauro. Good to hear from you Duffee!!! Phone Post
3/12/11 7:14 PM
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slamming -  Zuffa = MMA.  Maybe people will start believing it now.

 LOL i thought the buyout would make you guys go away.  MMA is mma and will always be mma to the purist.  Just like basketball is basketball.  I don't hear a lot of people refer to basketball as the NBA.  
3/12/11 7:15 PM
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Another thing. We will finally see the dream fight of a lifetime. Walker vs Batista. The only fight that can save the MMA business.
3/12/11 7:16 PM
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Good post Todd. I'm interested to see how things play out but I appreciate the tone of your post. It will be nice to see some of the more negative posters take a break for awhile in regards to the Strikeforce GP.

I'm particularly interested in the possibility of seeing Alistair in with some of the UFC's big guns. Since you've been in the ring with him, what are your thoughts on Alistair vs:

Cain Velasquez
Junior Dos Santos
Brock Lesner

Personally I'd take Overeem in all 3, with Cain being the toughest one to call.
3/12/11 7:17 PM
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McUFC - Positives: we wont be watching you fight.






















LOL totally kidding.

 No you will be.  Its a matter of time, I just have to go out and perform to my abilities and stop being a gym hero.  
3/12/11 7:17 PM
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Duffman to Strikeforce, Coker make it happen Phone Post
3/12/11 7:18 PM
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BrianStann -  Have a funny post but not sure if Duffee has a sense of humor or not .... Last thing I would want is to be labeled as "fighter basher."

If you read this Todd let me know.

 Lets hear it.  I mean if its directed at me.  Im tired of all the cry cry cry zuffa is gonna fuck me as the fan an offer me more fights to watch bs.
3/12/11 7:19 PM
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epic mma hero - Actually he's wrong on most accounts.

 I am not saying I am wrong or right on anything.  I am simply making guesses like most everyone is making guesses of how bad this will be.
3/12/11 7:20 PM
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UltraMagnus - Hopefully with this new deal you can resign with the UFC so you can blow another fight again and get knocked unconcious again...




 I mean im bounded to get koed again at some point in my career so rest assured.  But may I ask why you hate someone you don't know?  whats going on in your life man do you want to talk about it?  ive had a rough year or so maybe we can relate.  
3/12/11 7:21 PM
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Whens your next fight?
3/12/11 7:22 PM
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When the contracts run their course, Zuffa will fold Strikeforce into the UFC like the WEC, right?

Women's MMA will wither and die a slow death. Dana was asked when females would fight in the UFC. Answer: "Never."

Honestly, I don't think anything will save Japanese MMA. The public there doesn't trust it anymore, and have moved on to other things. The ratings sink lower and lower.....

Great post otherwise, agree with you on the rest.

I think nothing in Strikeforce will change until contracts are honored and done, then lots of people are fired when Strikeforce is folded into the UFC:

Barnett
Miletich
Shamrock
Daley
Female fighters
Arlovski
Babalu
Fedor


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Even more important than all of this: Deeper rosters in the next Undisputed video game. :p Phone Post
3/12/11 7:23 PM
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Time Warner - basic logic, no business succeeds when all other compitition is wiped out. It stagnates and stops growing, does not evolve. This is the very reason why monopolies are outlawed in every modern nation.

Also this is a sport, it requires competition and no sport is owned by one company.

I will never understand why someone is such a nuthugger he would argue in favor of something so moronic? as to not want the UFC to open up their fighters to fighting against other promotions.

The NBA/NFL does not own the teams in the NBA/NFL. They are an association made up of team owners.

The UFC is a promotion company, not an association of companies.

You may want to try that analogy again.

Your example is actually a proof of what I am saying. WAMMA would have been an NBA/NFL for MMA? but UFC not only would not join, they blocked and fought it bringing it to an end. It would have allowed MMA fighters to compete no matter the promotion company like in boxing. MMA is the sport UFC is a company, kinda like football is to? the NFL or basketball and the NBA etc.


I am not nut hugging anyone...I am just trying to see the positives in this buyout.  but thru your angry eyes you missed that i suppose
 
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Todd Duffee - 
UltraMagnus - Hopefully with this new deal you can resign with the UFC so you can blow another fight again and get knocked unconcious again...




 I mean im bounded to get koed again at some point in my career so rest assured.  But may I ask why you hate someone you don't know?  whats going on in your life man do you want to talk about it?  ive had a rough year or so maybe we can relate.  


Ultramagnus, this is why so many pro's don't post on here anymore. Even if you don't like the guy, you don't have to be a disrespectful ass. I noticed you edited you're post. Try to show a little foresight before you hit the post button the first time moron.
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Time Warner - basic logic, no business succeeds when all other compitition is wiped out. It stagnates and stops growing, does not evolve. This is the very reason why monopolies are outlawed in every modern nation.

Also this is a sport, it requires competition and no sport is owned by one company.

I will never understand why someone is such a nuthugger he would argue in favor of something so moronic? as to not want the UFC to open up their fighters to fighting against other promotions.

The NBA/NFL does not own the teams in the NBA/NFL. They are an association made up of team owners.

The UFC is a promotion company, not an association of companies.

You may want to try that analogy again.

Your example is actually a proof of what I am saying. WAMMA would have been an NBA/NFL for MMA? but UFC not only would not join, they blocked and fought it bringing it to an end. It would have allowed MMA fighters to compete no matter the promotion company like in boxing. MMA is the sport UFC is a company, kinda like football is to? the NFL or basketball and the NBA etc.




the NFL/MLB/NHL/NBA have seem to done fine without competion

to address your point about letting fighters go fight in whatever org they want at anytime, when was the last time you saw a NFL player go play a game for Arena football league or the CFL and then go play a game in the NFL later that week? no way in hell they could even if they wanted to.

also NFL/nba/mlb/nhl teams are not competing against eachother for market share like Strikeforce/belator/UFC are. comparing how the big pro programs and MMA run are apples and oranges.

and why would we want MMA like boxing where its all about managers posturing for the biggest pay day
3/12/11 7:27 PM
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Pretty much. This reads more like a peace offering to Zuffa to me.

I really can't think of any positives to come out of this long term. Competition is killed once again and Zuffa can continue to shovel out low grade cards full of TUFfers.

Who knows what will become of women's MMA. Hopefully somebody can get an all female org going strong.

 Peace offering?  I never knew we were fighting.  I got cut.  I only have myself to blame i shouldnt of got koed by a guy they definately dont want on their roster.  Then i apparently did something that portrayed an attitude they didnt like.  I was in a rought patch in my life I still am unsure of what that was and I have no use in dwelling on it or allowing it to define me.  Not to mention I am a year or two away from getting a call from those guys but whats the use of a peace offering when they have already stated that if I perform i'll be welcome back.
3/12/11 7:28 PM
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Roman Monstrum - Even more important than all of this: Deeper rosters in the next Undisputed video game. :p <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>



EA most like had a multi year likeness deal on the fighters they used in their game and have to be honored no matter if Zuffa bought them or not
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McUFC -  Ok serious question: If McZuffa (the WalMart of MMA) owns everything, where do you go when you are cut? You now are a professional fighter at one mans control, period. You have no power to do anything, go anywhere, zero. What do you do? Fight in King of the Cage in front of 550 people? Is that how you work your way back up? You have no rights, no bargaining power, no anything. You thought McBLAF had control of what you said before, wait until Ronald McDana owns literally everything.


There are hundreds of fucking shows going on all the time... all over the world.

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