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3/30/11 12:57 AM
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I have always wondered why BJJ people call gis kimonos... So is it "no gi" or "no kimono" ?

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3/31/11 4:44 AM
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Good question, Mark.

My sense is that the Brazilians use certain Japanese words incorrectly, which is not surprising considering the rather sporadic contact they had with Japan until rather recently. OTOH, Maeda may have been calling what he wore a kimono, who knows?

Here are some other interesting questions:

Why do no-gi (no-kimono?) grapplers want their skills recognized through belt colors?

Do you have to be schizophrenic to sew a big patch that reads "No Gi" on to your gi?

And, finally, why do "gi" grapplers continue to totally dominate Abu Dhabi and like events?
3/31/11 11:05 AM
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Japanese lesson of the day:

"Kimono" is a compound word:  ki (the verb "to wear") and mono ("thing").  "Kimono" means "things you wear". 

"Gi" is short for "keikogi":  keiko (to practice) and gi (the same word as "ki" in "kimono).  "keikogi" is "practice-wear"  (or perhaps "athleticwear")

Native Japanese speakers will make a face when you say "gi".  It's used in compounds, but not by itself in that way.  It sounds like half a word to them.  Lazy Americans started it...we shortened "keikogi" to "gi." 

Either "keikogi" or "kimono" would be correct.  "Gi" is not. 
3/31/11 2:27 PM
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Excellent questions John.
3/31/11 2:28 PM
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John Frankl - Good question, Mark.

And, finally, why do "gi" grapplers continue to totally dominate Abu Dhabi and like events?
Because all the other serious grapplers are trying to win things like.. ohh I don't know..  the Olympics.
 
3/31/11 8:59 PM
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Thank You for the Japanese lesson!
3/31/11 10:32 PM
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Actually, no gi is sem quimono.

Sem quimono (= without quimono).

I'll also take a stab at John's questions.

John: Why do no-gi (no-kimono?) grapplers want their skills recognized through belt colors?

Keseki: It isn't enough to be admired, respected, rewarded for your skills and accomplishments. You need to have belts too. Students expect belts and the teacher must have the best belt (or most degrees). If one has no serious skills or accomplishments, then belts are all the more necessary.

John: Do you have to be schizophrenic to sew a big patch that reads "No Gi" on to your gi?

Keseki: No, but it helps.

John: And, finally, why do "gi" grapplers continue to totally dominate Abu Dhabi and like events?

Keseki: Because they are better?

Glad I could clear that up.
4/3/11 1:37 AM
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John Frankl - Good question, Mark.

My sense is that the Brazilians use certain Japanese words incorrectly, which is not surprising considering the rather sporadic contact they had with Japan until rather recently. OTOH, Maeda may have been calling what he wore a kimono, who knows?

Here are some other interesting questions:

Why do no-gi (no-kimono?) grapplers want their skills recognized through belt colors?

Do you have to be schizophrenic to sew a big patch that reads "No Gi" on to your gi?
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And, finally, why do "gi" grapplers continue to totally dominate Abu Dhabi and like events?




LOL, exactly.

The no-gi brand gi with "No gi" patch on it could easily be a topic for a semiotics paper.

4/4/11 12:55 AM
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Yeah,

Something like calling this forum "JKD"

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4/4/11 7:12 AM
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Yeah,

Something like that.

Except that the "founder" of "JKD" pretty much told us that the name was BS, and, by extension, that people who were hung up on it, or any style that they claimed it represented, were also BS.

No "founders" of BJJ of Judo ever really told us that.In fact, they told us and tell us the opposite.

Ironically, if the no-gi guys stopped needing colored belts, or colored tshirts, they would actually be closer to what the "founder" of "JKD" was talking about:)

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