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4/3/11 4:51 AM
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Ultimate Fighter coach Brock Lesnar was 'a beast' training with Xtreme Couture

Tiny by Lars Scaz

It's tough to determine how a fighter will deal with a loss, especially one that is particularly devastating or embarrassing. Such was the nature of Brock Lesnar's defeat at the hands of Cain Velasquez at UFC 121, where "Brown Pride" had the big man doing cartwheels in the middle of the cage.

Not only did Velasquez take his heavyweight title, he had the entire martial arts world thinking Brock might pack his bags and head back to the scripted world of pro wrasslin'.

After such a desolating loss, it's difficult to blame anyone for thinking as much. It's natural to wonder how a former champion will react to losing his strap, specifically in the manner in which he lost it.

Wonder no longer, as Fighter Mag was lucky enough to sit down with Jay Hieron, an Xtreme Couture fighter, who had some interesting things to say regarding what it was like when Lesnar was training with the Las Vegas based team for the duration of filming of season 13 of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF), which premiered on Wednesday, March 30, 2011.

"The Thoroughbred" was glowing in his praise of the pasty-faced recluse, who apparently had a gay old time while running through the entire squad:

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"The guy is just a whole different animal. It was his first time back to training since the Cain fight and he was just under 300-pounds. It was something different and we never had a beast quite like that at our gym. It mostly consisted of BJJ and wrestling. A lot of rolling. He also helped some of us in the wrestling department. He did some sparring with Randy. You do not realize how strong he is and how fast he is unless you are there training or fighting him. I fight at 170 and I'll be the first to tell you that he was much faster than I was. It's shocking actually - the way he was just throwing guys around. Couture had him go through rounds of rolling. One person would step in, roll with Brock for 2 minutes then step out and someone else would go in. Forrest Griffin was there, Vitor was there, I was there, Sefo was there. We had a bunch of guys. He was incredibly strong, we would just go in there and get submitted a couple times and get out. He caught Forrest in the same straight armbar three times in the two minutes they were rolling. The only one he didn't tap out was Vinny [Magalhaes] but it was more of the same. I don't think anyone was able to get top position without him giving it up. It was a fun experience."

Sounds impressive, no? After all, if UFC color commentator Joe Rogan has taught us anything, it's how "underrated" Forrest Griffin's ground game is.

But is this just Hieron giving Lesnar some good press? It's worth noting that all of Brock's training partners have spoken rather highly of him after a few minutes on the mat.

If true, Junior dos Santos needs to take heed. This beast that Hieron is describing awaits him at the conclusion of TUF 13 at on June 11 at UFC 131 in Vancouver. The winner is guaranteed a title shot against Cain Velasquez in late 2011.

Will it be Lesnar, with his shored up wrestling and jiu-jitsu courtesy of the fellas at Xtreme Couture?

Stay tuned.


4/3/11 4:54 AM
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Brock will beat JDS via submission
4/3/11 4:55 AM
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I'd love to hear Vinny's thoughts on this.
4/3/11 5:16 AM
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I think everyone already knew he would be hard to get top position on, regardless of who is rolling with him.

What I would like to know is how his hard sparring is going.
Who is sparring with, and how does he react when he gets punched in the face?

4/3/11 5:19 AM
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It mostly consisted of BJJ and wrestling. A lot of rolling.




4/3/11 5:40 AM
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goes to show how good cain is then. wonder if he is the type of guy to roll at 100% prob pissed everyone off lol.

did you tap him vinny?
4/3/11 5:41 AM
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frontrowbrian - Brock will beat JDS via submission


its very possible. one thing i have always said about brock is his top game and wrestling is sick. if he adds some more positions for submissions he can do some damage.
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 It's weird how so many people are assuming JDS can pop right up after a takedown just like Cain. Cain's been wrestling since he was 6 or 7 years old. You don't learn that in one camp.
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Interesting how there was no talk of him learning to take punches.
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 did we ever find out who was the source of the leak about Brock not being able to be punched in the face for the UFC 121 camp?

I'm almost positive it wasn't Pat Barry because Brock said in an interview before the Fight for the Troops, he was rooting for Pat and would only tune in during his fight.
4/3/11 6:35 AM
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Attn Vinny: come and discuss Phone Post
4/3/11 6:49 AM
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Attn Brock: Train MT
4/3/11 7:22 AM
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UKTOPTEAM82 -  Brock is the best heavyweight in the UFC Phone Post

 You sir live in a beautiful dream with flying ponies and pink bunnies. 
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should be working more on his striking since everyone knows he's a beast at grappling.
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 He needs to train his striking, get hit, a lot, and train that mental block away. It might take years. If he gets rid of it though, he will be even more of a best than he is now!
4/3/11 7:34 AM
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 ttt for vinny
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Thread needs more Vinny.
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The talk of Brock not being able to take a punch is silly.
He took punches from Carwin and Cain - the two hardest punchers in MMA.

He did NOT do the dead fish flop and did not go out.
Carwin hit him so much he ran out of energy where as Cain basically punched him until his face was hamburger and STILL couldn't KO him.

Brock can take a punch fine.

What he needs to do is learn striking to AVOID taking punches in situation where he can't just barrel through for a takedown.
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This story is just like saying after his 3 straight losses dan hardy has been a beast in gym trying to get back to winning ways by mainly training his standup Phone Post
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While this is fun to read, it is also a bit disheartening to know this was Brock's first time back to training since the loss to Cain. MMA's greats are always in the gym staying in shape and improving, where it is not just a profession but a lifestyle. I feel as if Brock could be improving much faster if he consistently trained rather than only doing so when he has a fight scheduled. He has all the ability to get back to the top, but if his heart is not 100% committed he will never live up to his potential.
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Bigjon29 - This story is just like saying after his 3 straight losses dan hardy has been a beast in gym trying to get back to winning ways by mainly training his standup <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


No, its not.
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GageIsLegend - The thing I never get with the punches accusation is look at who he got punched by. Who has survived punches like that from Cain or carwin no one. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Kongo took over 200 punches from Cain and didn't have a scratch on him. Cain was rocked hard 3 times in that fight and he never hurt Kongo with almost 300 punches.

Brock was completely exhausted 2 minutes into the Cain fight. That had as much to do with the outcome as Cain's punching power
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Gullivers Travels - While this is fun to read, it is also a bit disheartening to know this was Brock's first time back to training since the loss to Cain. MMA's greats are always in the gym staying in shape and improving, where it is not just a profession but a lifestyle. I feel as if Brock could be improving much faster if he consistently trained rather than only doing so when he has a fight scheduled. He has all the ability to get back to the top, but if his heart is not 100% committed he will never live up to his potential.



Not true. Matt Hughes is an all time great and would only train a few weeks before a fight. Rampage is one of the best LHWs ever and has rarely if ever treated training and preparation as a part of his lifestyle. Saku was the best in the world and he smoked, got drunk every night and did 45 minutes weights and conditioning and then took a regular class with all levels at his gym.
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slamming - It's not that he can't take a punch, it's that he can't react to taking punches in a calm and effective way. He panicks. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


That is exactly right. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Brock's physical ability to take a punch. However, after training for over 3 years now, he reacts very amatuerishly to getting hit. World class fighters should not turn their back and run away from getting hit, or fall down and turtle up to avoid punches. Bas was right on. He didn't need to hear from anyone that Brock was not being hit in training. The proof is in the pudding. I've been doing muay thai for 6 years now, and while I'm certainly not an expert, it's obvious that up until now Brock hasn't done enough hard sparring. Hopefully he changes that up a bit.

We all already knew that Brock was a physical monster, so it's not all that surprising that he's throwing people around at Extreme Couture. What was a little more revealing is that there was no mention of him doing striking sparring. Maybe it just wasn't mentioned, but I'd like to hear from somebody out there on whether or not Brock is doing any of that.
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I think Brock may have underrated cardio. Although we haven't really seen anyone push his cardio yet. The closest I'd say was the beating from Carwin. He came back in the second round and it looked like he still had gas. Anyway, tapping Forest 3 times? I'd have to see it to believe it. Phone Post

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