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4/6/11 2:00 PM
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gbutts
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TWO DAYS OF YOUTH JUDO AND I'M JUST NOW RECOVERING. I record the youth judo scholastic matches these kids are trying to make the cadet world team. I have 2 hours of matches. Day one matches were terrible, i am sorry but i have to honest. the refeering was terrible they stop traingle and darce chokes, these players had no matwork knowlegde and their throws were sad and no foot techiques. i going to post these matches but they are really bad and display poor techique. day 2 macthes were better. erin got in a couple of chokes in and then the other girls pull out of the division, but at least this time the coaches told me they don't won't there girls to get hurt because they were only yellow belts. I coach alot of nanka guys and girls and they need very good but again no foot techiques (including my people) we have a bunch of training to do when get back). grip fighting on both days was bad. this is not the quality of competiton they had in the past. the highlight of the tournament was kyle vs richardo (from sergre's club ) I coach klye and they were very exciting matches. It is going to to take me at least a week to post all these matches but i will start with the the best matches first. i'll put it on crystabjudo youtube channell.
4/6/11 2:16 PM
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Well, of the matches you've posted so far I can see why you were frustrated with the reffing. But even so, I think there's some things to happy about. In her 2nd match Crystal a sweet kosoto gake into an (almost) osaekomi. And what was that Erin hit in her first match, an ouchi-gari to uki-waza combination? Slick!
4/6/11 2:31 PM
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Missing Glove Tape - Well, of the matches you've posted so far I can see why you were frustrated with the reffing. But even so, I think there's some things to happy about. In her 2nd match Crystal a sweet kosoto gake into an (almost) osaekomi. And what was that Erin hit in her first match, an ouchi-gari to uki-waza combination? Slick!


yeah, i'm not, but on the flip side it made want to compete again so bjj worlds here i come i just have to lose 35 pounds by june. but i feel the need to compete again. i'm excited of course, i'll be competing in my age group but the want to compete.
4/6/11 2:43 PM
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For real? Awesome! And good luck, of course. But who's gonna be around to record your matches so that we'll get to see the wake of unsuspecting buttflopper casualties you leave behind? lol
4/6/11 3:41 PM
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Missing Glove Tape - For real? Awesome! And good luck, of course. But who's gonna be around to record your matches so that we'll get to see the wake of unsuspecting buttflopper casualties you leave behind? lol



my wife will be recording and drive my old ass home because i'm sure i'll fell it afterwards. lol
4/6/11 7:38 PM
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Gary-sorry I missed you. I worked all day Friday setting up the Swain mats then did 5 hrs of weigh-ins. I was there Saturday from 9-1 and then left for home. I will watch the matches as you post them on you tube. Many of the judo refs are the same ones I see at the NAtionals. They are a very experienced bunch. But I have to say the level of play from the juniors was not up to the level of officiating. THe refs are not BJJ "literate" so to speak. There was video replay for each match/mat. The "organization" planned well and executed. Did you see all those volunteers at the table? I can understand yellow belts pulling out but what did they expect at this tournament?
4/6/11 7:38 PM
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Gary-sorry I missed you. I worked all day Friday setting up the Swain mats then did 5 hrs of weigh-ins. I was there Saturday from 9-1 and then left for home. I will watch the matches as you post them on you tube. Many of the judo refs are the same ones I see at the NAtionals. They are a very experienced bunch. But I have to say the level of play from the juniors was not up to the level of officiating. THe refs are not BJJ "literate" so to speak. There was video replay for each match/mat. The "organization" planned well and executed. Did you see all those volunteers at the table? I can understand yellow belts pulling out but what did they expect at this tournament?
4/6/11 7:38 PM
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Gary-sorry I missed you. I worked all day Friday setting up the Swain mats then did 5 hrs of weigh-ins. I was there Saturday from 9-1 and then left for home. I will watch the matches as you post them on you tube. Many of the judo refs are the same ones I see at the NAtionals. They are a very experienced bunch. But I have to say the level of play from the juniors was not up to the level of officiating. THe refs are not BJJ "literate" so to speak. There was video replay for each match/mat. The "organization" planned well and executed. Did you see all those volunteers at the table? I can understand yellow belts pulling out but what did they expect at this tournament?
4/7/11 6:54 AM
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Gbutts, I hate to say it, but as for the lack of groundwork, what can you expect? I mean, with most refs calling matte as soon as humanly possible it seems, and very few giving time for newaza development, most players know that all they need to do is turtle and pray for three seconds nowadays.
4/7/11 7:27 AM
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CS- Many of the kids were falling to the ground from poor throw attempts and I think the ref's were trying to make this more of a stand up contest. More judo development so to speak. Just my generalzation. I know all the ref's in Gary's footage. Don Flagg, Mike Mooney, Tom Shehaan, Gary ? from Indiana. All will be ref. at the Senior Nationals.
4/7/11 11:47 AM
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jbb, you in your own post make, IMO, one of the key mistakes of the current judo world, which is equating a "stand up contest" with judo development (or at least, the refs goals therof). Judo is both stand up and newaza.

I think we'd have a lot less crappy seio nage and uchi mata attempts in contests if players were getting their asses handed to them in newaza because the ref wouldn't just let them turtle for five seconds before calling matte.

I've seen it happen here in my town even. For two tournaments, I had guys do crappy flop and drop seio nages on me. Twice (once each tournament), I grabbed an open arm and did a rolling juji-gatame. Third tournament, lets just say players were a lot tighter with their attempts at throwing.
4/7/11 8:10 PM
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CS - the competitors for the sake of argument were kids. I can agree with you with adults. I observe all local tournaments, some regionals and the National competitions. 7-8 a year so I get a good idea of how the talent level is. Gary's kids do x-train in no-gi and gi BJJ so they have that added skill/mindset. I am looking forward to the Nationals.
4/8/11 1:36 AM
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jbb, it honestly doesn't matter if the competitors were kids. If they were that young, then they need to spend time working on their transitions, passing a trapped leg, reversing positions, etc, not just "turtle and pray." As for Gary's kids, I agree, in his videos they have shown good all around development.
4/8/11 9:59 AM
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CS - I help train the kids at our school in mat work transitions. They get to the tournament and remember nothing. The girls are better than the boys. Gary's kids have the advantage in that they compete in BJJ and no-gi. You can tell by Erin's game she is so farther advanced in ground work than the other girls. Crystal had a more difficult time with her throws as Gary mentioned. She is better in mat work than the others but as the skill level increases this becomes less an advantage.
4/9/11 12:38 PM
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judoblackbelt - Gary-sorry I missed you. I worked all day Friday setting up the Swain mats then did 5 hrs of weigh-ins. I was there Saturday from 9-1 and then left for home. I will watch the matches as you post them on you tube. Many of the judo refs are the same ones I see at the NAtionals. They are a very experienced bunch. But I have to say the level of play from the juniors was not up to the level of officiating. THe refs are not BJJ "literate" so to speak. There was video replay for each match/mat. The "organization" planned well and executed. Did you see all those volunteers at the table? I can understand yellow belts pulling out but what did they expect at this tournament?


The tournament was very organized, I love the bracket and match card system. The volunteers were very helpful and polite. I went to the refs meeting and brought up some bjj techiques that were not commomly seen in judo and they assured me to as long as there was progression being made on the mat they would allow matwork to continue. I think the girls that were in Erin's division pull out because they heard erin telling crystal that she was going to submit everyone. When heard erin say this, I told her that those girls coaches were going think that you out to hurt their players. Some people think submission means to hurt people. Anyway two girls pull out erin division and one girl forfeited the match so erin only had 2 matches.

Sorry i miss you, I won't see you at the senior natioanls, Crystal's senior prom and Erin's pankration tournament is the same weekend as the nationals so told her to forgot about the nationals. we are going to focus on the U.S. open and world cup Crystal is going back down to 52kg.
4/9/11 12:57 PM
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Chocolate Shatner - Gbutts, I hate to say it, but as for the lack of groundwork, what can you expect? I mean, with most refs calling matte as soon as humanly possible it seems, and very few giving time for newaza development, most players know that all they need to do is turtle and pray for three seconds nowadays.


i know it is a shame because the truth is the US standing game will ever be as good as the top countries because the US does not have enough players; however, the US as enough bjj players to improve their matwork and matwork transition to beat these top countries in the only area (the ground)where they are weak. Ronda throws are average compare to these countries but her matwork and transitions was superior. I believe if we start teaching these young kids how to blend bjj techiques into judo (and judo techiques to bjj) when become adults they can compete at a high level in judo or bjj.
4/9/11 7:34 PM
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gbutts,

I totally agree with you. I think US players can easily cross train with some of the best of other arts, and develop some of the best "all around" skill sets in the world. After all, where else could a player train with world champions in wrestling, BJJ, and high level players in Judo as well?

Sure, it might make US players a "jack of all trades", but then again that has always been my approach to judo anyway.
4/9/11 8:41 PM
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I have to add an addendum. If you are a woman, definitely Japan is another place to do the same cross training. Multiple world champs and competitors in both wrestling and judo live and train in the Tokyo area. Not sure on the BJJ, but damn, for women its enormous.

But my point still stands. I think that doing some cross training can only bring benefits for any player.
4/10/11 7:24 AM
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To Gary and CS- great discusion. So many valid points. When I watch Kayla Harrison she is also a terror on the mat. Pedro's fighters in general have both standup and mat skills that complement eachother. I think this comes from Pedro who had the same qualities. The Japanese women are terrors on the mat. Great at transitions. Hope our paths cross in the future.CS -will you be at the Senior Nationals?Sorry I will miss you Gary, looked forward to it.
4/10/11 10:45 AM
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jbb,

Sorry, but I've been living in Japan for going on 4 years now. While the US Senior Nationals would be an interesting sight, I don't think I can make it.

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