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4/18/11 11:13 PM
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One thing that's freaky is in this article that is the same release but in full:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=1805589

he mentions the $5-10k figure for refs and also then says "You don’t have much of a show if you’re paying your referee five times what you’re paying the two guys in the main event."

...what? You are only paying the guys in your main event $1-2k?
4/18/11 11:23 PM
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EPGScott - I am OK with refs asking that much.
Why fly to another country to do the same work you can do in your home state?
If you want them to leave their family and fly to another country, then pay them what they want. It's not like you have to agree to it or anything.
I don't see anything wrong with this.


To be fair, the article asks for a reasonable scale, not that refs shouldn't be reimbursed for unusual hardships. Such a scale could easily include extra pay for distance travelled and time away from home.
4/18/11 11:28 PM
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Card, why do you even give the shit stain of MMA any coverage?
4/18/11 11:49 PM
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I was told by a friend about this post so I looked it up and see that there needs to be some clarity and truth added to it. This whole thing stems from a letter written by Dale Kliparchuk and Brian Beauchamp back in the beginning of March trying to show that Beauchamp should be working at the UFC in Toronto. Dale use to run the commission at River Cree where Pavelich ran a majority of his MFC shows. Dale has recently been removed from his position and is no longer part of any commission. Brian attempted to have many MMA news and media people publish his letter saying that Ken Hayashi of the Ontario Commission was forcing promoters to use referees from outside of his province and that those referees were charging the promoters whatever they wanted. Part of the statement was true and part was false. Key Hayashi and his commission are new to MMA and he decided to use officials that have years of experience refereeing for the first few shows in Ontario so there would be less chance of anything going wrong and giving someone a chance to complain about MMA in Ontario instead of putting young inexperienced officials into pressure situations and possibly having a problem. So yes Mr. Hayashi decided to use referees like Dan Mirigalotta, Herb Dean, Josh Rosenthal and I from the U.S. and Yves Lavigne and Jerin Valel from Canada. All of these referees are making whatever the commission pays for the event, because it is the commission that is assigning the referee to the show. Ken has several people that I have personally instructed ready and willing to step in and begin refereeing and judging in the province, but he first wanted to ease them in slowly, so he has assigned them to the shows as inspectors and other commission assignments getting them use to being part of a team and understanding all of the elements associated with the sport and putting on a successful MMA show.

Brian Beauchamp is trying to tell people that he is the most experienced referee in Canada, or possibly second behind Yves Lavigne. It is totally false since Brian has refereed for approximately 2 to 3 years. There are many referees in Canada that have much more experience than Brian, but if you tell people a lie long enough they start to believe it. Referees like Vern Gorman, John Braak, Elvis Lyon, Tony Williamson, Jerin Valel, Adam Cheadle and Kevin Dornan could easily say they have much more experience then Brian, and none of them would be lying.

As far as "Celebrity Referees," that is a line used by Dale and Brian in their letter and now they have talked Mark Pavelich into using the same line. I have worked one MFC show and was not paid by Pavelich for working the show. I was paid by the Enoch Nation which owns River Cree. If I have a promoter contact me about working their show it is my right to ask for whatever fee I feel is fair. Most of the time that promoter is using my name to help promote their show and I should be compensated for that because it goes beyond the normal scope of the job. Now they are using you to help possibly sell tickets. If a commission contacts me and asks me to work a show for them I accept whatever fee the commission pays. Have I ever made $10,000 to work a show, No. I have made different amounts of money throughout my career. Last night I worked a show and made $280 for the night. This entire thing is about Brian being a person that wants to be a referee in the UFC. Someday he may attain that goal, but he is not close to being ready yet. although he believes he is.

Mark Pavelich does not ever have to pay for a referee or official other than one assigned by an athletic commission at the rate that the commission pays their officials. All commissions are different, but if Mark wants to have a Herb Dean, Dan Miragilotta or John McCarthy work his event at his request, then they should be able to say how much their services are worth. If he does not like the price then he does not have to hire them, because nobody is forcing him to. Hope you appreciate the truth. I do not hide behind screen names you know who I am. I wish this could be said of everyone.
4/18/11 11:49 PM
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If you don't think they're worth it, don't hire them. Why issue a press release?
4/19/11 12:03 AM
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that's a wrap son.
4/19/11 12:06 AM
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4/19/11 12:19 AM
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4/19/11 12:19 AM
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Chris - I'm very confused. The commission will provide quality refs to an event under their juridstiction.

If you want a ref to fly in and work for your event under that commission's authority, then that ref has the right to ask for any fee he wants. And you have the right to not bring him in?
4/19/11 12:22 AM
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Was just remembering how bad some of the ref's have been in recent MFC shows. Might be time for Mark to buck up for someone that knows what they are doing.

Trigg has even commented on it a few times.
4/19/11 12:22 AM
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 HOW DARE QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS DEMAND TO BE PAID FOR THEIR SERVICES!
4/19/11 12:28 AM
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BJM has spoken. The Referee of Referees in MMA.
4/19/11 12:37 AM
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Chris - I'm very confused. The commission will provide quality refs to an event under their juridstiction.

If you want a ref to fly in and work for your event under that commission's authority, then that ref has the right to ask for any fee he wants. And you have the right to not bring him in?




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4/19/11 12:40 AM
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Chris - I'm very confused. The commission will provide quality refs to an event under their juridstiction.

If you want a ref to fly in and work for your event under that commission's authority, then that ref has the right to ask for any fee he wants. And you have the right to not bring him in?




THIS



No one bothered to explain this to Mark in the first place or we would not have to read this thread.
4/19/11 12:55 AM
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 Again, MMA for some reason acts according to rules that don't apply to boxing. 

Boxing promoters don't pay the referees (at least not legally). 
4/19/11 12:58 AM
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4/19/11 2:28 AM
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4/19/11 2:41 AM
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Mazzagatti's Mustache should command a cool 10K easy... plus a tiny gold comb to keep that beauty pristine. I miss seeing Steve outside the Vegas shows. Phone Post
4/19/11 2:46 AM
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he just dropped it liked its hot all over pav.
BJM everything he said was spot on, i agree with him 100%.

Pav tried to insult him for a catch-phrase and Big John Got it on.

Love your work BJM

4/19/11 3:46 AM
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I wanted to send a package via UPS instead of standard mail and they charged me more than royal mail!!! I can't believe it!!
4/19/11 4:11 AM
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BJM called a stop to this thread in the second page, declaring the winner by TKO....BJM
4/19/11 8:05 AM
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Thankyou Big John, it all makes perfect sense, definately puts a completely different spin on the origional statement.
4/19/11 8:08 AM
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Quality costs money.

If you want experienced refs, pay for them.

If you want beginner refs, you get what you pay for.
4/19/11 8:32 AM
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Thanks for the truth Big John.
4/19/11 9:04 AM
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 Big John, with maybe the best 34th post ever?

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