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4/19/11 7:37 PM
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When most players retire, we look back on their accomplishments and consider whether or not they fulfilled their potential and had a career worth remembering. By most standards, Jason Williams(notes) was a success. The 12-year NBA point guard retired Monday for the second time (the first coming in the summer of 2008), although the circumstances of this exit suggest it'll be more permanent than the first. After being waived by the Orlando Magic in January and being a non-factor with the Memphis Grizzlies after signing in February, it appears that the NBA no longer has much use for his services. So we must look back at the career of the man once known as White Chocolate and consider what it all meant.

Williams reached heights that few point guards even glimpse. As a rookie with the Sacramento Kings, he made the All-Rookie team, had one of the league's five most popular jerseys due to his flashy play, and was part of a team that took the defending West champion Utah Jazz to the full five games in the first round. Over the next two seasons, he was a part of an ever-improving Sacramento squad that was widely acclaimed as the most exciting team in the league. After cutting back on flashy passes while playing for Hubie Brown's Grizzlies, Williams became one of the league leaders in assist-to-turnover ratio. As point guard for the NBA champion Miami Heat in '05-'06, he was arguably the team's most important role player and shot 10 of 11 from the field in the East-clinching Game 6 against the Detroit Pistons. By the end of his career, Williams had become a steady veteran presence with enough credentials to command the respect of his teammates.

Yet, for all those accomplishments, his name will always be most associated with his early propensity for the kind of flashy passes usually seen on the playground circuit. The highlights made the Kings a "SportsCenter" favorite, back in the days before League Pass was a common purchase for NBA fans. They were the source of his nickname, which stuck with him long after it made any sort of sense. As a rookie, Williams was a legitimate sensation, to the point where he got attention that far exceeded his actual contributions to the Kings' success. In fact, the team didn't really take off until Williams was shipped to the Grizzlies for Mike Bibby(notes), a move that ultimately allowed coach Rick Adelman to run most of the office through the ridiculously skilled Vlade Divac and Chris Webber in the post.

This is all to say that no one will ever associate Williams with winning or veteran dependability, even if that's ultimately what defined him on the court. Instead, he'll always be that flashy young point guard, the one who played on the same high school team as Randy Moss and became most famous for throwing a pass off his elbow in the Rookie Game, a contest as far removed from legitimate competition as humanly possible.

Williams will forever defy the typical discussion of players as the sum of their accomplishments. In our minds, he'll always be White Chocolate, the rookie with a goofy haircut who was usually too flashy for his own good. Again, that's not who he was on the court for most of his career. Sometimes, though, it's more important to remember players for the flawed moments of joy they brought us than for the professional style they displayed later in their careers. A man's accomplishments only matter so much when his best moments created a legend.

4/19/11 8:36 PM
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4/19/11 8:50 PM
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That had to be the hands down worst finals team in the last decade.
4/20/11 12:24 AM
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 lol @ 305, dude probably wasn't even a Heat fan at the time.
4/20/11 12:54 AM
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love J-Will.(especially compared to that bust and the murderer).This dunk on Elie and eating the popcorn is my fave moment.ok maybe the elbow pass or the pull up 28foot 3pointer with 18 secs on,or crossing GP.
4/20/11 1:11 AM
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 The elbow pass and breaking Gary's ankles were just the greatest.  lol, that was a great video.
4/20/11 1:20 AM
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I doubt he knew the heat won a title until someone on here mentioned it
4/20/11 12:38 PM
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MadDog243 - I doubt he knew the heat won a title until someone on here mentioned it
The Heat won a title?

When?

Was it the year after the Sunsets won their title?

Please enlighten me, thanks.
4/20/11 2:18 PM
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At least when my team wins a title it will mean something. You can post all the stupid heat pictures you want on other peoples threads, doesnt change what a lame frontrunner you are.
4/20/11 3:08 PM
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My favorite White Chocolate highlight is #9 from this vid. Steals the ball then does a behind the back pass on the fast break that leads to a wide open Chris Webber dunk.

Beautiful.

4/21/11 6:43 AM
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quick - That had to be the hands down worst finals team in the last decade.

Wade + Shaq = worst of the decade?

How about 2007? Cavs vs Spurs... both teams had no business being there.
4/21/11 12:38 PM
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 Damn, that vid was so sick.  He had some serious skills.
4/21/11 2:47 PM
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quick - That had to be the hands down worst finals team in the last decade.

Wade + Shaq = worst of the decade?

How about 2007? Cavs vs Spurs... both teams had no business being there.


I have seen plenty of people on this very forum argue that Shaq wasn't even the second best player on that team...so yeah they would still fall firmly in the worst of the decade.

And the 2007 Spurs had no business being there? Just lol.
4/21/11 4:02 PM
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quick - That had to be the hands down worst finals team in the last decade.

Wade + Shaq = worst of the decade?

How about 2007? Cavs vs Spurs... both teams had no business being there.


I have seen plenty of people on this very forum argue that Shaq wasn't even the second best player on that team...so yeah they would still fall firmly in the worst of the decade.

And the 2007 Spurs had no business being there? Just lol.

The Mavericks were the best team that year - they had the Spurs number. No doubt. But the Mavericks had to face the 1 team that had their number. It was just unfortunate for them.

Because the Mavs could not beat the Warriors (matchup nightmare) the *Jazz* were in the West finals (again, they had no business being there, but they could beat the #8 Warriors to get there)... so the Spurs basically beat no one. They beat who was in front of them... but it was shitty teams. The Jazz, and the Cavs???
4/21/11 4:48 PM
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quick - That had to be the hands down worst finals team in the last decade.

Wade + Shaq = worst of the decade?

How about 2007? Cavs vs Spurs... both teams had no business being there.


I have seen plenty of people on this very forum argue that Shaq wasn't even the second best player on that team...so yeah they would still fall firmly in the worst of the decade.

And the 2007 Spurs had no business being there? Just lol.

The Mavericks were the best team that year - they had the Spurs number. No doubt. But the Mavericks had to face the 1 team that had their number. It was just unfortunate for them.

Because the Mavs could not beat the Warriors (matchup nightmare) the *Jazz* were in the West finals (again, they had no business being there, but they could beat the #8 Warriors to get there)... so the Spurs basically beat no one. They beat who was in front of them... but it was shitty teams. The Jazz, and the Cavs???


So the Mavs would have been champions, but they choked, again. Funny how that works out. I don't agree with you though that the Mavs "couldn't" beat the Warriors.

I don't know how anyone could claim that _allas had SA's number when the year before the series went to seven games and an overtime. Obviously both teams were very evenly matched.

And as far as the Cavs and Jazz go, SA was 8-1 against them. I certainly am not going to attempt to somehow marginalize them because they were actually able to win either.
4/21/11 6:18 PM
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MadDog243 - At least when my team wins a title it will mean something. You can post all the stupid heat pictures you want on other peoples threads, doesnt change what a lame frontrunner you are.
LOL, at the bitter Sunset fan.

I guarantee if the Heat win a championship this year, after all the shit talking about the BIG 3, it will mean more to the NBA then any championship the Sunsets "may" ever win.


"mean something",

HA HA HA HA HA





Oh don't think I 4-got. As Dr. Jack would say, THUNDER!!!!!!!




4/21/11 8:26 PM
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Uh, becoming a bandwagon fan of a team the year they are "supposed" to win a title is inherently meaningless. As are you.

And LOL@ that picture. Whats your point exactly?
4/21/11 10:34 PM
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305-onpoint - LOL, at the bitter Sunset fan. I guarantee if the Heat win a championship this year, after all the shit talking about the BIG 3, it will mean more to the NBA then any championship the Sunsets "may" ever win.

"if" indeed.

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