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4/27/11 8:26 PM
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 Seems to me the biggest obstacle to living off the land is the near necessity for a vehicle of some sort, preferably a truck of some sort. 

Cars are expensive as hell, and the newer ones require a wide variety of skills to repair and maintain.

If you are going to check out of society and stick it to the man you are still going to need a vehicle.

Thoughts on minimizing the weight of this shackle?
4/27/11 8:54 PM
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A diesel vehicle outfitted for biodiesel would be the way to go, unless you want to go the amish horse & buggy route
4/27/11 9:15 PM
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 Any particular ones that are easier to maintain/more reliable.

Other than a VW rabbit?
4/28/11 8:05 AM
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this could be interesting
4/28/11 9:09 AM
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bio diesel is NOT cheap, unless you get free oil.

Get a pedal bike or just accept you'll have to buy some amount of fuel each year.
4/28/11 9:10 AM
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An 80's era carb'ed truck would be ideal in most circumstances. Very reliable and super easy to work on.

I think gas would actually be easier to get in a SHTF type scenario because 99% of cars on the road are gas, and they are easy enough pop a hole in the tank and get all the gas you need. No converting oils.

If you can find a nice late 80's F150, that would be perfect.
4/29/11 3:32 AM
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if you have plants or trees with lots of nuts or seeds this might be a cheap solution to producing oil:

Manually operated Piteba oil expeller press
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuLJoAYX2WM

hand-cranking it might be tedious, but imagine hooking it up to a stationary bicycle drivechain.

at $138 on ebay, it might be able to pay for itself quickly.
4/29/11 8:41 AM
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this tree sounds great.
4/29/11 7:32 PM
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Here's the kicker for Copaifera langsdorfii

"Copaiba is a climax species probably ranging from subtropical to tropical dry and wet forest, it is found in both riparian forest and montane semi-deciduous forest. The tree tolerates annual precipitation of 1000-4000mm, annual temperature of 20-27 deg C (with no frost), and soil pH of 4.5-7.5."

It's probably not adaptable here due to the oil content in the tree, otherwise I bet you'd see a few universities working on variants.


4/30/11 1:20 AM
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 this is turning out better than I thought.

Looks like an E100 ethanol vehicle might be best for me, when they are more available.
5/9/11 10:27 PM
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 or maybe not. It takes a whole acre of sugar beets to yield 550 gallons of ethanol.
5/10/11 1:53 AM
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I've posted this before, but you can sub jet fuel for diesel if you add 2 stroke oil.
5/13/11 9:05 PM
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ClayK - I've posted this before, but you can sub jet fuel for diesel if you add 2 stroke oil.


Also some diesel engines can run on straight veg oil, not used.
9/22/11 2:00 AM
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jfmx345 - Here's the kicker for Copaifera langsdorfii

"Copaiba is a climax species probably ranging from subtropical to tropical dry and wet forest, it is found in both riparian forest and montane semi-deciduous forest. The tree tolerates annual precipitation of 1000-4000mm, annual temperature of 20-27 deg C (with no frost), and soil pH of 4.5-7.5."

It's probably not adaptable here due to the oil content in the tree, otherwise I bet you'd see a few universities working on variants.




sub ty for info

looking for another non-chipped truck (EMP) and will give these trees a try
3/30/12 10:27 AM
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4/5/12 2:17 PM
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Is there anyone out there who buys bulk gasoline? Like is there anyone who keeps a 50 gallon drum of it on their property for emergency or rationing or anything?

I am hopefully going to be able to get a house in the next year and I was considering this as an emergency stock pile for emergencies or if the gas spikes.
4/19/12 2:55 PM
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 Lots of rural people store shit loads of propane, and propane vehicles are pretty common.
4/25/12 1:32 PM
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You could get a truck body and outfit it with a wood gasifier. That way, you'd only need oil for internal lubrication & the thing would run on firewood.

That's for an extreme off the grid situation though.

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