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5/7/11 5:50 PM
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My ko ouchi fit ins are coming along but I can't get close enough in randori to even try the technique. What are some techniques, combos and strategies to cause an opportunity for ko ouchi in randori?
5/7/11 6:38 PM
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i like it off of o uchi and uchimata
5/8/11 4:16 AM
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dollars to donuts you are looking at the problem incorrectly.

the question you should be trying to answer is why you are unable to close the gap. not what other techniques will help you do it. there is a problem you are having, solve the problem, dont change the variables.

the same problem is going to exist no matter what. be it with kouchi, uchimata, seio, sasai, whatever. thus, fixing it with a technique doesnt solve anything, it only masksm alters or hides the underlying issue.

without know you at all. without knowing if you are rvl or rvr or lvl. without knowing how you use posture and movement. without knowing if you are fast or slow. clumsy to the left or right. etc.. etc.. etc... in other words, without knowing anything about you that would lead anybody to a even remotely educated opinion, here are some common causes to "i cant get close enough." BTW, im not insulting, i just use colorful language.

1. stop sticking your ass out like your name is bertha. stand upright for a change. a gorilla would have a bad kouchi gari too.

2. let your stupid arms bend so they are not pushing the guy away as you try to move closer.

3. do the stupid throw much faster than you are.

4. bump belts with him. act like you are going back to the prom.

5. maybe, just maybe, you should learn to grip fight so his pathetic stiff-arming attempts are, well, more pathetic.

=)

my students rarely tell me that they cant get close enough. i am constantly harping on them to get belt to belt with throws like ouchi, kouchi, kosoto, osoto, sasai. if as a beginner you have a gap between you and your target it will kill your ability to throw good players later.

putting your body in a solid position to attack is 10x more important than how good your uchikomi are. way more important then how many throws you can demonstrate with an allowing uke. in grappling sports, your hips are everything. in judo we call it the "hara."

5/8/11 10:15 AM
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Basic kouchi- pivot on your collar hand foot and step backwards on you sleeve hand foot drawing uke forward with his lead foot.At the same time pull up and backward (arm pit level) with your sleeve hand. Collar hand is coming under uke's chin and now collar hand foot is reaping the back of uke's moving lead foot as it moves forward and then simulaneously with both hands push uke backwards.

A good combination I see from Seionage specialists is they fake a seionage and then catch the foot and take uke backwards. Another good compbination for the average "joe" is ouchi gari into kouchi gari combination.

An excellent book you should buy is called Ashiwaza 2 by Mike Swain a Judo Masterclass series technique book. It covers opposite stances and like stances. You need to experiment with the suggestions to see what could work for you.
5/8/11 6:50 PM
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I agree that Swain's book is awesome. Ashiwaza II... unreal!
5/8/11 7:02 PM
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without even seeing you I'd bet you aren't getting hip to hip and that's either because you're not committing enough or you can't get past his extended arms (or both)
5/8/11 10:17 PM
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Another excellent combination using kouci gari as the set-up is kouchi gari-tomenage.
5/9/11 12:32 PM
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I am a noob white belt so take this for what it is worth but I have been having the same issue and my coach showed me a simple trick. Basically if you ahve a standard grip push with your right hand so uke has to take a step back with thier left foot and now ukes right foot is forward just begging for ko uchi. Yeah it is never really this simple but it definitely helped me a lot. 
5/9/11 8:39 PM
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That could work also. It is similar to what I said using the combination Ouchi-Kouchi. You are getting uke to move backwards attacking their left foot with the Ouchi and Kouchi is right there.To set up the Ouchi you sometimes have to pull uke around to your collar grip side to open him up for the ouchi attack. Movement creates opportunities.
5/9/11 8:57 PM
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I love ashiwaza and at randori it is what I do most. However, kouchi for some reason I can not get. I use it as set-ups for my hip throws harai, uchimata, esp hanegoshi.

I love this vid. Kouchi as part of the set-up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UInLqx3N8I&feature=player_embedded#at=137
5/10/11 6:29 AM
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That fake Hiza and kouchi/deashi combination was awesome. The Japanese are the best at combination(s). Thanks
5/10/11 11:00 AM
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A way that I found, while training at tokai and watching everyone do uchikomi, to get closer to opponent to do ko uchi gari is to bend your lapel grip elbow upon entry. Almost as if you are doing a morote seoi nage, but stop short bringing your elbow and fist to a "12 to 6" position (fist at 12 and elbow at 6), while bringing your sleeve hand to the ground.
5/11/11 11:53 AM
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khd29 - I love ashiwaza and at randori it is what I do most. However, kouchi for some reason I can not get. I use it as set-ups for my hip throws harai, uchimata, esp hanegoshi.

I love this vid. Kouchi as part of the set-up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UInLqx3N8I&feature=player_embedded#at=137


Great clip!
5/12/11 10:07 AM
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jayflo145 - A way that I found, while training at tokai and watching everyone do uchikomi, to get closer to opponent to do ko uchi gari is to bend your lapel grip elbow upon entry. Almost as if you are doing a morote seoi nage, but stop short bringing your elbow and fist to a "12 to 6" position (fist at 12 and elbow at 6), while bringing your sleeve hand to the ground.


you know im a lefty. still, i never felt that i had a problem getting close enough to my mainly righty opponents for kouchi. for me it is a matter of getting into that open space or making him step into it when he doesnt want to.

i actually think it is way harder to throw other left-handed people with kouchi than it is to throw a righty. thats partly because of how LvL stand so extreme to one another and partly because I sucked at it. =)

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