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5/24/11 2:00 PM
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5/24/11 2:40 PM
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Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 ¶ What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
5/24/11 5:51 PM
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Rooster, I never said flipping burgers was bad, but you have to agree that it is not a job that will make your economy grow like manufacturing. Phone Post
5/24/11 5:54 PM
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Rooster, why do you keep bringing up aborigines? You do know that the U.S. doesn't exactly have a better record with its aboriginals don't you? I know you're trying to be insulting but i don't know how you think you are doing that. Oh, and for the record my great grandfather was aboriginal. Phone Post
5/24/11 6:15 PM
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Just a guess, but I think he is just saying Australia(ns) shouldn't feel too holier than thou. 
5/24/11 7:49 PM
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I don't believe I was. We have plenty of problems in my country - worse though is that I think politicians are taking a leaf out of the American politicians book - soundbites to replace good policy, and a lack of conviction to really drive change.
5/24/11 9:12 PM
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Toe: Never made a dime? Is that what i said? You can be below the poverty line and work you ASS off.

me: right. But you've never earned any substantial money. You are "poor" according TO YOU. So you want to be generous with EVERYONE ELSES MONEY.

YOU: My family pays payroll taxes (that just went up), and taxes on everything we buy practically.

ME: LOL, uh, everyone does.

you: Because of the size of my family(be fruitful and multiply) we most years do not owe because the EARNED INCOME CREDIT.

me: Right, you don't have your assets seized, but you'd like other producers, employers, providers etc to give more then you yourself give by dollar amount and by percentage. Again, you are generous WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

you: Notice that EARNED BY WORK, that has been static for years because we care more about making sure billionaires are taken care of first and familys tryin to make it last.

me: Toe, "THOU SHALT NOT COVET...". You covet the wealth of those making more then you and would have the state seize it to make you feel better. First of all, what gives you the impression that the wealthy don't work? What gives you the impression that under "equal under the law" that the "wealthy" should have their assets seized? That's stealing. You are advocating stealing.

you:... even Obama(the so called socialist) went along with this.

me: went along with what?!!

you: 40g's a year at McDonalds depending on family size is POVERTY.

me: LOL. That's ridiculous. I have a family, my wife wasn't working and I was making a little over 50k. That' was with two children. That's is the equivalent of my wife and I earning 25k each. You budget. You live in your means. You don't go out to eat all the time, you don't go to movies you live in a house you can afford, or rent, or live with family and pay and help out. This is laughable.

You don't know poverty bro. I went and visited mom's home and it was a box with blankets for walls, an outhouse for a bathroom, and a few chickens and a garden for the supermarket. No tv, no cable, no video games, no designer clothes. And they were HAPPY AND BLESSED. No animosity to the wealthy. And then she came here and made it through hard work, not with other peoples money.

you: ...and there is no shame in working there but that wasn't LTC point its better those workers be in hightech makin iphones...that was his point

me: No way. Let's have Steve Jobs just hire a bunch of teenagers to make his phones. Are you kidding me. You earn a job by your experience, or knowledge, or hard work or education. It's not a right or privelige for a person who provides a service or product to just pick people who will end up destroying their business because of a lack of qualification or desire and then THEY ARE ALL POOR.

you: ...its a shame that the church and society wouldn't take care of the LEAST OF THESE thats why SS/medicare was created.

me: no they didn't. FDR stacked the court and there was great resistance to his ponzi scheme which was set up to start paying after life expectancy and was only a small percent and was only supposed to be a slight supplment (that you would never see) not your total income.

you: under your 'great society' people were starving and dying for lack of healthcare.

me: yeah right. We became the envy of the world, immigrants were willing to climb over barbed wire walls, to defy their own families, to risk everything, to float in inner tubes in the ocean and it WASN'T FOR HEALTHCARE THAT DIDN'T EXIST. It was for freedom and opportunity and immigrants added to our greateness because their greatness could be unleashed.

you: COLDBLOODED...

me: yes you are. You are willing to destroy society completely to make yourself feel better. Coveting is a sin.

Deu27:19 Cursed [be] he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.

me: Amen and Amen. That's why I give personally to those people rather then beg my govt to steal from others and give in my name.

5/24/11 9:16 PM
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you: btw...EVERYONE NOTICE HOW ROOSTER WONT ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT MORTGAGE HOME TAX DEDUCTIONS AND MILITARY RETIREMENTS....

WHY? H-I-P-P-O...much?

me: what question!?!? I didn't see it and have been travelling all day (and packing last night).

What about the mortgatge home tax deduction and military?

I think Toelocku, that you have excluded yourself from this discussion because you are unaffected with the exception of being a recipient (and one who feels entitled at that), who thinks 40k a year is poverty, that flipping burgers isn't a good job (and I did it for years, along with waitering, construction, and my most miserable, being a phone rep making 13k a year!)
5/24/11 9:19 PM
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LoveToChoke - Rooster, I never said flipping burgers was bad, but you have to agree that it is not a job that will make your economy grow like manufacturing.

me: No, I can't say that. The retail restaurant businss and the anciliary business (catering, chefs, food services, delivery, ranching, farming, etc.) is a staple job.

I loved flipping burgers. I've often thought about retiring one day and opening a little portuguese cafe with home made bread and linguisa sandwiches. A simple pleasure in life to make food for others.

Yes, we need our manufacturing base back but both parties sold out our manufacturing base. We don't and can't make things like we used to (especially with an inflated dollar, a union workforce and free chinese prison labor)
5/24/11 9:20 PM
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LoveToChoke - Rooster, why do you keep bringing up aborigines? You do know that the U.S. doesn't exactly have a better record with its aboriginals don't you? I know you're trying to be insulting but i don't know how you think you are doing that. Oh, and for the record my great grandfather was aboriginal.

me: I was being tongue in cheek about how great your country was and what we could learn from your healthcare. No country is perfect and socialism is the least palatable solution.
5/24/11 9:24 PM
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toelocku - Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 ¶ What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

me: what in the world does this have to do with you wanting to be generous with other peoples money and believing that God giving someone 40k for their labors is poverty?!!?

Dude, I made 13k my first year out of college with a degree and I was happy, blessed, paid my rent, paid my car, and loved life and the good Lord.

The entitlement attitude is an attitude of the covetous. Naked I came and naked I will go.

One day we will all stand naked before God and give an account for our stewardship. I didn't take my meager blessings and bury them and criticize those who invested and grew what God gave them. I worked as "unto the Lord" and as He entrusted me with more, I gave more.

I don't need other people to give to me. I love to give in prayer, in the laying on of hands, in ministering, in bible studies and in financially giving.

And guess what, in a horrible economic climate the Lord keeps multiplying what I have.

Maybe if you wouldn't be bitter about your earnings and demand others give for you, you too could be blessed. I pray you let go of your desire for others money to be taken from them.
5/24/11 10:12 PM
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the rooster - No country is perfect and socialism is the least palatable solution.


Australia is as much of a socialist country as the U.S. Countries may have "socialist" policies but that does not make the government or the economy a form of socialism. How can we be a socialist country if we are higher on the Economic Freedom Index than the U.S.?
5/24/11 10:54 PM
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I think LTC that the bar is set very low.

Let me ask you, Toelocku and inlikeflynn a question based on your view in socialism.

Do you tithe? Do you tithe on gross or net?
Do you give offerings above that or sacrifically?
Do you support any local charities with time and money?
Do you live within your means?
Are you out of debt?
Do you put money in savings for a "rainy day"?

Answer correctly and I can assure you that you will do more to change the financial situation of yourself, your loved ones and neighbors and your local community.

Add prayer to it and you could transform the finanical world around you.

The problem is that the majority of people are ignorant and biblically illiterate to God's principles. They do not give to the church, they have credit cards maxed out, they live above their means, they have no savings, and when it hits the fan, it's everyone elses fault and everyone else that has "more" owes them.
5/25/11 12:09 AM
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I'm not a Christian so I don't tithe. My wife and I do give to charity though.
We do live within our means and have savings, although we are just about to go into a LOT of debt to buy a house, but we can pay it off in less than 10 years based on our current incomes.
5/25/11 12:13 AM
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LTC, that is a a good start. Being a giver will bring blessings to your lives as will living within your means and saving. Buying a house and paying it off in 10 years is great.

You are obviously a producer and as a result, part of the problem. You are the greedy rich. Trust me, there are many making less then you.

Therefore, you need to pay even more ;-)

Good job, seriously. You are not part of the problem!
5/25/11 3:26 AM
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My wife and I are both college educated professionals. We don't make a ton of money but well above the median income. No credit card debt. I bought a modest home before the real estate boom & crash. A little student loan debt from my wife's Master's, but nothing major. I contribute to a 401k, Roth IRA, and college fund for my kids. I should save more for intermediate goals, but what are you going to do?

As far as tithing, not right now as we are in transition from churches. But, I do give to whatever church I ultimately land at. We support some missionaries in Honduras, and are always on the look out for family, friends, co-workers who are in need.

Now, I don't consider myself a full blown "socialist" unless you consider anyone who thinks the government should do more than nothing to help a socialist. I think there is a balance to be found between private and public assistance, which is why I get irritated with the extremists on both ends.
5/25/11 3:34 PM
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I wanted to let you all know that I will be on hiatus from the UG / Holyground for awhile. I don't normally bother to tell anyone that I won't be posting very often because I think it can come across as being a bit of an attention whore, but I've been involved in a lot of debates on several threads and I feel I ought to let everyone know that I am not merely ignoring their posts.

Anyway, I just wanted to say God bless and love to all (yes even to all the libs! :-P )

Later!
5/26/11 9:15 AM
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inlikeflynn - My wife and I are both college educated professionals. We don't make a ton of money but well above the median income. No credit card debt. I bought a modest home before the real estate boom & crash. A little student loan debt from my wife's Master's, but nothing major. I contribute to a 401k, Roth IRA, and college fund for my kids. I should save more for intermediate goals, but what are you going to do?

As far as tithing, not right now as we are in transition from churches. But, I do give to whatever church I ultimately land at. We support some missionaries in Honduras, and are always on the look out for family, friends, co-workers who are in need.

Now, I don't consider myself a full blown "socialist" unless you consider anyone who thinks the government should do more than nothing to help a socialist. I think there is a balance to be found between private and public assistance, which is why I get irritated with the extremists on both ends.


Again, kudo's! You are not part of the problem. If you can do it, anyone can. Don't suppose that your fellow citizens are not smart enough or disciplined enough.
5/26/11 9:16 AM
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Grakman - I wanted to let you all know that I will be on hiatus from the UG / Holyground for awhile. I don't normally bother to tell anyone that I won't be posting very often because I think it can come across as being a bit of an attention whore, but I've been involved in a lot of debates on several threads and I feel I ought to let everyone know that I am not merely ignoring their posts.

Anyway, I just wanted to say God bless and love to all (yes even to all the libs! :-P )

Later!


Hey bro, I understand. I've had to walk away for long periods of time. I'll miss your posts, your insights and your more patient and peaceful spirit. Doggone if my latin blood doesn't get the best of me at times!


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