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5/22/11 12:59 PM
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So, where do we get the money to pay for all of this? 
5/23/11 1:43 PM
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"He has made more than $8bn in donations through his Open Society Foundations and will give away about $800m this year."


"Bill Gates made the largest ever single charitable donation when he pledged $10billion (£6billion) to develop and distribute vaccines."

Secular Humanism at work.


Do you know what the Open Society Foundation is and believes? This isn't "charity"!! It's pushing his liberal vision of the world through the media, politics, etc. It's anti US just as he is.

I don't know much about Bill Gates politics, though I assume he probably leans to the left. He's a capitalist who gave 10b and didn't need the govt to confiscate it through taxations to give.

You guys crack me up. Capitalist are cool so long as they are liberal. Hiding your wealth through the tax code is cool if your liberal, getting govt subsidies for your company is cool if your company is liberal, carrying a gun is cool if your liberal, being religious is cool if your a liberal, waging war on 3rd world countries is cool if you are liberal.

Nothing really matters in truth to you guys except a committment to liberalism.
5/23/11 1:46 PM
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LoveToChoke - Anyone who would care enough about their fellow citizens to actually pay a little extra tax to ensure that people don't go homeless, hungry or be able to receive medical treatment is a socialist in Rooster's book. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


1) why do they have to "pay a litte extra tax"? Why do they need the state to compel them? Bill Gates gave 10 billion in charity. He gave it away! Yesterday 3 mm was raised in one season of the stupid Celebrity Appentice.

Let me ask you a question. What do you do for a living and what do you *voluntarily* give in money for those less priveliged?
5/23/11 1:46 PM
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LoveToChoke - Anyone who would care enough about their fellow citizens to actually pay a little extra tax to ensure that people don't go homeless, hungry or be able to receive medical treatment is a socialist in Rooster's book. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


1) why do they have to "pay a litte extra tax"? Why do they need the state to compel them? Bill Gates gave 10 billion in charity. He gave it away! Yesterday 3 mm was raised in one season of the stupid Celebrity Appentice.

Let me ask you a question. What do you do for a living and what do you *voluntarily* give in money for those less priveliged?
5/23/11 1:47 PM
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Joe Ray - Rooster it is May 22nd, why are you still here?

Looks like you are not of the chosen ones and are left behind to rot with us heathen pagans.


LOL.

JOe Ray, I'm not biblically illiterate. I know that no man knows the day nor the hour.

You don't have to rot bro. You can be saved. George Soros can be saved. Obama can be saved. Jon Stewart can be saved.

There is hope. Jesus Christ is the Way.
5/23/11 2:19 PM
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 What I'd really like to know is:

Is Joe Ray is really a heathen pagan or if he just meant atheist. ;-)
5/23/11 2:32 PM
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LoveToChoke - As far as where do you draw the line - essentially you are saying that if you are poor (for whatever reason, be it bad luck, cannot pay medical bills, or just dumb) you should not expect society to care for you. Is that really a society that you want to live in?

What I don't understand is why people think it is okay for private business to profit from people's ill-health. There is such an obvious conflict of interest between a business trying to maximize its profit and the welfare of its members.

For all the talk of an egalitarian society, your country is heartless as can be seen by Rooster's posts and others on this site.


Who says THAT YOU CANNOT EXPECT SOCIETY TO CARE FOR YOU!

You are reading only what you want to read! We are saying that the state confiscating others wealth is a FAILURE. The state is broke and on the verge of collapse and not only is the poor and needy and sick still poor, needy and sick but expanding!

I just quoted above the stupid celebrity apprentice show raised 3mm this season alone! John Rich (winner) gave over 1 mm to St Jude's through corporate private sponsors.

What makes you think that being for, participating and encouraging people to help the poor means your against it unless you think confiscating from others and mismanging it is the only right way!?!?

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5/23/11 2:33 PM
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the rooster - You guys crack me up. Capitalist are cool so long as they are liberal. Hiding your wealth through the tax code is cool if your liberal, getting govt subsidies for your company is cool if your company is liberal, carrying a gun is cool if your liberal, being religious is cool if your a liberal, waging war on 3rd world countries is cool if you are liberal.

Nothing really matters in truth to you guys except a committment to liberalism.


Who is this addressed to? It doesn't even remotely apply to me.
5/23/11 2:34 PM
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Joe Ray - Rooster it is May 22nd, why are you still here?

Looks like you are not of the chosen ones and are left behind to rot with us heathen pagans.


LOL.

JOe Ray, I'm not biblically illiterate. I know that no man knows the day nor the hour.

You don't have to rot bro. You can be saved. George Soros can be saved. Obama can be saved. Jon Stewart can be saved.

There is hope. Jesus Christ is the Way.



How do you know Obama isn't already saved?
5/23/11 2:35 PM
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the rooster - You guys crack me up. Capitalist are cool so long as they are liberal. Hiding your wealth through the tax code is cool if your liberal, getting govt subsidies for your company is cool if your company is liberal, carrying a gun is cool if your liberal, being religious is cool if your a liberal, waging war on 3rd world countries is cool if you are liberal.

Nothing really matters in truth to you guys except a committment to liberalism.


Who is this addressed to? It doesn't even remotely apply to me.


Sorry, I got this thread confused with the social security one.
5/23/11 2:46 PM
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the rooster - 
Joe Ray - Rooster it is May 22nd, why are you still here?

Looks like you are not of the chosen ones and are left behind to rot with us heathen pagans.


LOL.

JOe Ray, I'm not biblically illiterate. I know that no man knows the day nor the hour.

You don't have to rot bro. You can be saved. George Soros can be saved. Obama can be saved. Jon Stewart can be saved.

There is hope. Jesus Christ is the Way.



How do you know Obama isn't already saved?


Pretty self evident from the fruit that drops from the tree.

No follower of Jesus Christ can call the Koran "Holy" with a straight face.

"As the HOLY Koran tells us, "Be conscious of God and speak always the truth." That is what I will try to do – to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart."

The Koran is not Holy to Christians. It is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus, denying HE is the I AM, and denying the New Birth, and teaches a different revelation of a different god.

No Christian says that "the question of when life begins is above my pay grade..." and then turns around and uses tax dollars to fund it through the back door in the US and abroad.

I could go on and on but essentially this guy grew up going to a racist church (Jeremiah Wright) who was a liberal social gospel guy, a former muslim, with close ties to and friends with muslims.

No, he's not a Christian and I'm confident saying that.
5/23/11 6:15 PM
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Rooster, do you think Obama would have improved relations with the middle east if he had told them they've got it all wrong and their book is not Holy? Is that what you are suggesting he should have done? Phone Post
5/23/11 7:59 PM
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 No, he isn't saying he has to tell them they got it all wrong. That's a false dichotomy. He could have said something similar any number of ways without saying, 'in the Holy Qu'ran.' I don't think he should have bowed to the Saudis, either. 
5/23/11 9:22 PM
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Amen Grakman. But LTC, it's not the point. The point is that as a christian, he would never have uttered what such a lie.

HE could reach out to muslims w/out sacrificing his supposed beliefs or throwing Israel, the lone democracy, under the bus.

He has an affinity to islam (which makes sense, since his father was a muslim, his step mom was a muslim, he went to a muslim school as a kid, and he has a resentment towards the west).

I don't wish him ill for these views, just wish he wasn't our president (maybe still a community agitator?) and wish he wouldn't call himself something he is not.

But I pray for him and his family.
5/23/11 10:38 PM
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I really think you are making a mountain out of a molehill here. It is Holy to the muslims and he was just being respectful of others views. Phone Post
5/23/11 11:47 PM
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He says ' the Holy Qu'ran ' but mocks Americans for clinging to their 'Bibles and guns.' Do you think he would ever mock Muslims for clinging to their Qu'rans? Phone Post
5/24/11 2:49 AM
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Obama wasn't referring to his Holy Quran, but was was just calling it the Holy Quran, in reference to how Muslims view it.

He is a world leader and has to show respect to Islam, just like Bush, Clinton, Bush 1 and all other American leaders who have also referred to the Quran in such a way.

I suggest you lot grow the fuck up.

"Obama is not as devoutly Christian as me! When I hold beliefs or do things incompatible with the bible or with Christianity it does not make me any less Christian. When Obama does such things it means he is not a Christian "

5/24/11 7:22 AM
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He didn't say, "as *YOUR HOLY* Koran says..." He said, as "the holy koran says...".

Can you imagine Paul or Jesus or the OT prophets saying, "...as the holy egyptian books say..." or as "...the holy books of baal say...".

Give me a break.

Joe Ray, he doesn't show respect to judaism (instead sits with a preacher who demeans Jews and is an anti semite) or christianity (viewing traditional american christianity about the same way you do).

Obama's an empty suit who reads teleprompters, who is working to actively promote his radical vision of a Soros style America...an America that would make his daddy proud. He has "...dreams of his father..." a kenyan born, muslim anti american and by golly, he's going to placate those dreams because he's stil just a confused, little man child still searching for his identity after having mommy make the rounds with a couple of different dudes.

He's searching for an identity and it ain't from the bible. Maybe he finds it in the "holy koran".

5/24/11 7:23 AM
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In fact, maybe it's Obama whose turning into a religious zombie Joe Ray. From 2009 in his speech to Cairo:

"As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and the fall of dusk. As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities where many found dignity and peace in their Muslim faith.

As a student of history, I also know civilisation's debt to Islam. It was Islam – at places like Al-Azhar University – that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.

I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognise my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President John Adams wrote, "The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquillity of Muslims." And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States. They have fought in our wars, served in government, stood for civil rights, started businesses, taught at our Universities, excelled in our sports arenas, won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building, and lit the Olympic Torch. And when the first Muslim-American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our Founding Fathers  Thomas Jefferson  kept in his personal library.

So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."



5/24/11 7:45 AM
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By the way Joe Ray, let me say I don't wish ill will towards Obama or his family. I pray for him and his family. I pray he will really learn what salvation means.

I understand why he lacks a sense of identity and why he is hostile to "fly over " country.

I just wish he wasn't my president. I wish he was still agitating in chicago or was still an ad absentia voting senator.

He is far to ill equipped politically, personally, spiritually, emotionally, or egotistically to be president and will go down as not only our worst president, but potentially as the one who willfully managed our decline.

And no, I'm not rascist, it's always been his white 1/2 I didn't like. (added since any official critique of this president usually comes with catcalls of prejudice).
5/24/11 9:21 AM
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 Please do not criticize Dear Leader. 
5/24/11 1:02 PM
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the rooster - He didn't say, "as *YOUR HOLY* Koran says..." He said, as "the holy koran says...".

Can you imagine Paul or Jesus or the OT prophets saying, "...as the holy egyptian books say..." or as "...the holy books of baal say...".

Give me a break.


Well done captain obvious. He is a political leader of a secular country and government that is involved in 3 wars in Islamic middle eastern countries and is entirely dependent on relationships with Islamic countries for energy supplies.

Playing diplomatic nice with the dominant religion of those regions is a wise move.

But you are correct, if he was to give the proper Christian view on Islam he would say something along the lines of "Islam is a false religion, headed by a false God and a false prophet. All infidels who are beholden to this religion will burn in hell for all eternity. And I'll send my country's armies to help you along the way".

But doing that would make be utterly idiotic. It should be completely obvious why.
5/24/11 1:04 PM
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the rooster - Obama's an empty suit who reads teleprompters, who is working to actively promote his radical vision of a Soros style America...an America that would make his daddy proud. He has "...dreams of his father..." a kenyan born, muslim anti american and by golly, he's going to placate those dreams because he's stil just a confused, little man child still searching for his identity after having mommy make the rounds with a couple of different dudes.


That was a pretty ugly thing to say, Rooster. You're better than that, or at least I hope you are. It's one thing to not like the man's politics/ideas/policies, but it's pretty childish to take a shot at his family like that.
5/24/11 1:08 PM
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Obama is not only the worst socialist ever, just look at company earnings and stock market growth under his presidency, he is also the worst Muslim ever, just look at the number of islamic terrorists including the biggest of them all, whom he has ordered killed.

Hussein 1 - Deranged right wing US douchebags 0.
5/24/11 1:59 PM
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