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5/23/11 5:07 PM
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"Oh yes definitely," Alves said when asked if St. Pierre fights not to lose. "He just wanna take the belt home. You can't blame him, the guy did so much in the sport. He's a great champion. There's nothing you can say about the guy. He doesn't wanna go out there and put his career, his belt, on the line the way he should, but he's still the champion. He's still making the money and bringing the belt home and at the end of the day, that's all that matters."

Pretty good interview with Thiago Alves. Touches on a bunch of topics including Rick Story, Ben Askren and the Dolce Diet. I'll always be an Alves fan, can't wait for UFC 130.

http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Thiago-Alves-on-Rick-Story-Its-gonna-be-a-knockout,-an-early-night.html
5/23/11 5:18 PM
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anyone that's unhappy with how he handles his fights in that division can just go take it from him.... Just ask Dan hardy and koscheck how easy it was... oh and fitch. oh and sheilds.
5/23/11 5:18 PM
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Kbox - guy who loses to grease st pierre says what?


Exactly. Our club is full of guys who'd beat BJ Penn if their trainer put a dab of Vaseline on them. One handful of grease makes a BJJ blackbelt worthless. Its about time people realized this.
5/23/11 5:20 PM
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when you are playing a points game there is absolutely no difference between fighting to win and fighting not to lose.
5/23/11 5:23 PM
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who the fuck fights to lose besides maybe Shannon "The TomatoeCannon" ?
5/23/11 5:26 PM
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lol at "fights not to lose" like he owes it to his competition to take risks
5/23/11 5:27 PM
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What a joke.

GSP's opponents fight "not to lose" more than he does.

People complain about his boring fights, but it takes two to tango. If they were truly bringing the fight to GSP, it would show.

But most challengers seem to think that surviving five rounds without getting put into the ER is a victory.
5/23/11 5:36 PM
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I always thought that was called winning. It's not like he hasnt given everyone a chance.
5/23/11 5:42 PM
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notsobigmike - What a joke.

GSP's opponents fight "not to lose" more than he does.

People complain about his boring fights, but it takes two to tango. If they were truly bringing the fight to GSP, it would show.

But most challengers seem to think that surviving five rounds without getting put into the ER is a victory.

5/23/11 5:51 PM
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Kbox - guy who loses to grease st pierre says what?


Exactly. Our club is full of guys who'd beat BJ Penn if their trainer put a dab of Vaseline on them. One handful of grease makes a BJJ blackbelt worthless. Its about time people realized this.


Dab my ass. fucker was glowing like an alien with all that grease.
5/23/11 5:59 PM
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What about Thiago?

I'd go so far as to say that GSP was more agressive, and caused more damage in each of his recent fights than Thiago did in the John Howard fight.

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5/23/11 6:01 PM
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notsobigmike - What a joke.

GSP's opponents fight "not to lose" more than he does.

People complain about his boring fights, but it takes two to tango. If they were truly bringing the fight to GSP, it would show.

But most challengers seem to think that surviving five rounds without getting put into the ER is a victory.

 Yep, his offense consisting primarily of jabs, inside kicks, and takedowns is 100 percent his opponents fault.
5/23/11 6:02 PM
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lol @ all the emotional responses
5/23/11 6:16 PM
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Wait, wat?

I'm a big fan of Alves but:

1) GSP wrecked him on the feet. Out struck him and out kicked him. Sat him down, in fact.

2) Were Alves a more complete fighter, he wouldn't have been so gunshy on the feet. But obviously had a hard time pulling the trigger for fear of GSP taking him down (which he did) Not GSP's fault Alves has such a glaring hole (relatively speaking) in his game (nor is it Fitch's)

Alves is a hell of a fighter, but is in no position to complain about GSP's style considering what happened in their fight.

5/23/11 6:21 PM
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All this gsp is ridiculo Phone Post
5/23/11 6:25 PM
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notsobigmike - What a joke.

GSP's opponents fight "not to lose" more than he does.

People complain about his boring fights, but it takes two to tango. If they were truly bringing the fight to GSP, it would show.

But most challengers seem to think that surviving five rounds without getting put into the ER is a victory.


this. Funny I remember Alves saying he had SO many weapons to take out Georges and how he was going to go for the ko. But for some reason he never could stop the takedown, defended passes and sub attempts as if his life depended on it then stalled his ass out, and then got OUTSTRUCK by Georges the whole time. Ending w him looking he got mugged and crying as he went backstage. Legit LOL at Alves. Its funny how its always Georges fault that his opponents lose heart and then fight to survive and NOT win the fight. Shit Shields and Fitch have been the only guys to not do this while the others wilt like plants in winter.
5/23/11 6:38 PM
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notsobigmike - What a joke.

GSP's opponents fight "not to lose" more than he does.

People complain about his boring fights, but it takes two to tango. If they were truly bringing the fight to GSP, it would show.

But most challengers seem to think that surviving five rounds without getting put into the ER is a victory.

 Yep, his offense consisting primarily of jabs, inside kicks, and takedowns is 100 percent his opponents fault.


I'm wastin' my time even typing this out cause you are just a hater so nothing anyone responds with is going to change your mind on the subject, but I think what notsobigmike is trying to say is that people cry about GSP's style but no one is willing to bring the fight to him to try and take him out of his comfort zone. GSP fights not to lose but so do most of his opponents, he just happens to be better at it than they are.

Diaz will probably be the first guy GSP has fought in a while that is going to try and put the pressure on from the opening bell and bring the fight to him. IMHO I think GSP would be able to finish most opponents if they did this but Nick doesn't get finished, he just runs out of time. Diaz could probably win that fight if his wrestling wasn't so bad but more than likely he is going to lose a decision. Stylistically this is the worst matchup in the WW division for Diaz...

5/23/11 7:20 PM
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GSP destroyed Alves even with a torn groin. Instead of criticizing GSP how about his opponents take responsibility for their loss and see why THEY did wrong. At the end of the day, GSP goes home with the belt and they're just another victory on his resume. Phone Post
5/23/11 7:26 PM
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Kbox - guy who loses to grease st pierre says what?


Exactly. Our club is full of guys who'd beat BJ Penn if their trainer put a dab of Vaseline on them. One handful of grease makes a BJJ blackbelt worthless. Its about time people realized this.

 Which is it, a "dab" or a "handful?"  Since neither amount was applied to GSP, your point is worthless and only demonstrates that you're an idiot.
5/23/11 7:29 PM
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ILoveWatchingJonesBoneShogun - lol at "fights not to lose" like he owes it to his competition to take risks
Odd; that isn't what I thought Alves was saying...........or even implying.
 
5/23/11 7:39 PM
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Alves has it spot on in my opinion. Just because Alves has lost to GSP doesn't mean that he can't state his opinion. Like I've said before, it isn't the challengers job to get themself finnished, it's the dominant champs job to finnish them.
5/23/11 7:48 PM
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lol, its the challengers job to take the title from the champion. Hanging out and going uber defensive doesn't accomplish that.
5/23/11 7:56 PM
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Hunter V - lol, its the challengers job to take the title from the champion. Hanging out and going uber defensive doesn't accomplish that.


I haven't seen anyone fighting uber defencively against George, but you have to keep in mind that GSP is making them fight where their offence is weakest and where they are most vulnerable, so naturally they will be on defence. GSP however is fighting his opponents where his offence is strongest and where they are weakest, and yet he still fights very defencively.
5/23/11 7:56 PM
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Alves is correct.
5/23/11 8:01 PM
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Hunter V - lol, its the challengers job to take the title from the champion. Hanging out and going uber defensive doesn't accomplish that.


I haven't seen anyone fighting uber defencively against George, but you have to keep in mind that GSP is making them fight where their offence is weakest and where they are most vulnerable, so naturally they will be on defence. GSP however is fighting his opponents where his offence is strongest and where they are weakest, and yet he still fights very defencively.


Yea, but it's not like GSPs opponents are letting their hands fly and making him shoot a desperation takedown.

If Thiago knows GSP can get him down, which maybe he should have figured out after the 2nd or 3rd takedown, why not just be aggressive when you are standing?

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