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6/14/11 1:53 PM
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Herman and Einemo spent just 89 seconds of their fight on the ground, but Herman did have to escape from underneath Einemo once, and did so quickly. Afterward, Herman reiterated his belief about BJJ.

"I honestly really don't think it does [work]," he said. "If you have any knowledge at all of jiu-jitsu, it's just not going to work. If you literally have never heard of anything and have no idea what they're doing, OK, kind of like the first UFC, yeah jiu-jitsu works. It's kind of like trickery, basically. If you have any idea about any of the tricks, it's just not going to work, unless you're a complete idiot and fall for it."

When asked how it could work against, say Fedor Emelianenko during his June 2010 match against Fabricio Werdum, Herman said it was possible Emelianenko had gotten too cocky, but that "if they fought again, it wouldn't happen."

"Maybe I should re-phrase it and just say, jiu-jitsu doesn't work on me," he said.

Herman said that in preparing for a fight, he trains grappling but rarely jiu-jitsu.

"As a wrestler I'm going to have to stick with wrestling as the best [foundation], but I really think jiu-jitsu isn't that great, and even from a spectator standpoint, it's not that fun to watch," he said. "Striking is obviously the most entertaining."

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6/14/11 1:56 PM
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I predict a loss via sub in his next fight.
6/14/11 2:01 PM
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A lot of what he says is true about BJJ. Jiu jitsu is more about tricking your opponent than imposing your will. In wrestling it is more about imposing your will physically on the opponent and then breaking them down.
6/14/11 2:02 PM
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 LOL... Yeah a gassed, punch drunk, Einemo couldn't sub Herman... so Jiu Jitsu doesn't work.... EVER... even when it does work, it didn't really work.

What a douche!

I would LOVE to see Herman fight Werdum... or even Palhares for that matter.
6/14/11 2:09 PM
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So he is saying once you know what to look for in jiu jitsu, it becomes ineffective, but in order to learn what to look for, you need to train jiu jitsu.
6/14/11 2:11 PM
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"Striking is obviously the most entertaining."

Good, hopefully one day he actually learns some.
6/14/11 2:11 PM
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Guarantee he tranes bjj, he probably just doesn't realize it. Phone Post
6/14/11 2:12 PM
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Alumynabjj - "Striking is obviously the most entertaining."

Good, hopefully one day he actually learns some.


He's doing pretty good for a guy who doesn't know to strike?
6/14/11 2:12 PM
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He knows every move and setup in jiu jitsu, plus the laws of physics don't apply to him. Cool guy.
6/14/11 2:13 PM
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Building on some good publicity , nice , not all fighters are clueless about the business . Phone Post
6/14/11 2:14 PM
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You can train wrestling but if a guy is more experienced than you he is still going to crush you with it 98% of the time. We are seeing more and more that experience does not matter when facing BJJ guys. Wrestlers are cutting the learning curve drastically. He is right when he says BJJ is more about trickery and surprise than physically destroying your opponent with aggression. Everyone knows what good wrestlers are going to do but they can still pull it off because they are more about physicality than surprise. When you fight Clau Guida you know exactly what he is going to do ahead of time but he can still do it.
6/14/11 2:15 PM
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 lol @ the BJJ fans getting all butt hurt and shit.....
6/14/11 2:15 PM
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KwikTempah -  Building on some good publicity , nice , not all fighters are clueless about the business . Phone Post

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I think Paul Harris would take his foot home with him...just sayin'!
6/14/11 2:17 PM
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I have been training in it for years. There is a lot of trickery in jiu jitsu and there are some guys that can beat you with the basics. It depends on who you are rolling with at the time.
6/14/11 2:18 PM
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Why the fuck do fighters make stupid comments like this... Phone Post
6/14/11 2:18 PM
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I don't get it, isn't this like everything else? You look for legs kicks so you can check them, you learn Boxing so you don't get hit, you learn to wrestle so you dont' get out-wrestled?

It seems to me he's saying that something becomes less effective on you the more you know about it. Duh!

The question is what does he do against someone who knows more about BJJ than he does?

Seems like a really stupid statement.
6/14/11 2:19 PM
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He is right... for now. He knows the "secret" of BJJ, the hips. If you can control the hips, you can neutralize most of the BJJ guy's game.

However, when the BJJ guys finally wake up to the fact that they MUST start training wrestling, this will again change as the wrestler uses less of a hip game. What will result is a hybrid submission wrestling.

It will happen, just as the BJJ guys finally caught on that they needed to learn how to strike.
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"you learn to wrestle so you dont' get out-wrestled?"

Let's be honest here. How often does that happen for someone that does not come from a wrestling base? GSP is the only guy in the sport from a non-wrestling base that can go skill for skill with elite guys.
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"when the BJJ guys finally wake up to the fact that they MUST start training wrestling."

The problem is that Brazil does not have the wrestling foundation from a young age that they need.
6/14/11 2:23 PM
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Alumynabjj - "Striking is obviously the most entertaining."

Good, hopefully one day he actually learns some.

PeeWee Herman - 21 wins, 15 knockouts and only 1 legit loss


I'd say he obviously knows some striking. Leave it to a BJJ fanboy to get butthurt over something like that and make a fool out of themselves.


He has fought bums. This dude he just fought has not fought in six years and was 35 years old. Get a grip man. Its not like he was dominating the standup. It was a comically bad fight technique wise although kinda fun to watch, like a bad bar room brawl.
6/14/11 2:24 PM
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Magnum TA - "you learn to wrestle so you dont' get out-wrestled?"

Let's be honest here. How often does that happen for someone that does not come from a wrestling base? GSP is the only guy in the sport from a non-wrestling base that can go skill for skill with elite guys.
This is a couched point, I'm talking about the essence of what Peewee said, it seems stupid. You learn EVERYTHING so you can't be beaten by it. If he hasn't been subbed it's likely because he hasn't encountered a BJJ guy who knows more than him on the ground yet. Also, if he's that good and it doesnt' work then go try ADCC and let us know.

Just seems redundant.
6/14/11 2:27 PM
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Magnum TA - "you learn to wrestle so you dont' get out-wrestled?"

Let's be honest here. How often does that happen for someone that does not come from a wrestling base? GSP is the only guy in the sport from a non-wrestling base that can go skill for skill with elite guys.


no. remember mikey burnette prime vs. townsend saunders? or ricardo arona outwrestling hendo? bigfoot outwrestled tom erickson. not to mention the folks who didn't wrestle at high levels outwrestling people who are higher pedigreed wrestlers. individual athleticism matters more
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give this guy Mur.

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