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6/14/11 10:32 PM
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UFC light-heavyweight Fabio Maldonado commented on recent series of losses by Brazilian fighters, himself among them. Other names he mentioned were Rogerio Nogueira, Shogun Rua,. and Demian Maia.

“Perhaps Brazilians miss the point in training. It's not that we train less, but sometimes we confuse the amount of training with quality. It's sad to say but Americans will dominate the mixed martial arts future,” he told R7.com

“The trend is that the American fighters will take MMA over because of the financial side of the business. If they are not the best in something, they take the best [fighters and coaches] out there. How many Brazilian teach jiu-jitsu in America? Thousands. And how many Cuban or Bulgarian teach boxing or wrestling here? The figure is simple,” he questioned rhetorically.

Maldonado plans to head to the USA to train his wrestling.

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6/14/11 10:34 PM
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If the rules stay the same and the judging stays the same.I Think his pretty much right
6/14/11 10:35 PM
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All the fighters he listed are long time vets of the sport and on their way out, younger Brazilians are doing fine (Jacare, Roger, Aldo, Machida, Anderson(will probably retire in a few years), Paul Harris)
6/14/11 10:37 PM
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^ yea like healthcare, education and... wait wut? Phone Post
6/14/11 10:38 PM
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Soon the Chinese will invade US and there will be no more money for people to trane UFC.
6/14/11 10:48 PM
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Don't bullshit.When the economic truth comes down,it(MMA) will eventually be an international sport.Canadians have it good,Americans,not so.Brazillians,even worse...Once the poor boys in Eastern Europe,and Middle East see a meal ticket,there will be a crazy (scramble) for food.North/South Americans are better fighters,but,be prepared for foreign federations to give fans their money's worth.

How it will play out is anyone's guess.

At least there will be a renaisance to old PRIDE rules.,if all goes to plan.
6/14/11 10:52 PM
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Maldonado is a fucking terror man. That guy will be soooo good once he gets everything well rounded (like he wants).
6/14/11 11:04 PM
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I don't know,Pet Sounds...I don't think that the UFC can keep on with the same old,lame cards for much longer.Either we go with better judges,and international fighters,or dumb it down for the masses.

We (original fanbase) are becoming jaded,and for good reason.IMO,the sport is fast becoming stiffled.
6/14/11 11:14 PM
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 MMA has become the UFC and the UFC is designed for Americans to advance. So he’s right.
6/14/11 11:24 PM
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Pet Sounds - well, the US is far ahead of the world in everything else. don't see why MMA would be any different.

 Except for education, Gross National Product, happiness, financial stability, military strategem, and anything to do with motor-vehicles.

We do lead the world in debt and number of countries occupied at one time, however.
 
6/14/11 11:27 PM
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The one thing he left out. America has high level wrestling and Brazil does not.
6/15/11 12:15 AM
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Tom O'BedsMen - 
Pet Sounds - well, the US is far ahead of the world in everything else. don't see why MMA would be any different.

 Except for education, Gross National Product, happiness, financial stability, military strategem, and anything to do with motor-vehicles.

We do lead the world in debt and number of countries occupied at one time, however.
 

You're an idiot.
6/15/11 12:17 AM
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Doesn't mean that the UFC brings the best world-wide talent to the card.Marc Munoz,Lesnar and Carwin are all great American wrestlers,but not world class,is all I am stating.

Why are the elites being excluded?Lack of International promotion/exposure,monies offered,and North American fanbase who don't want their fighters losing.
6/15/11 12:22 AM
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Eh.... I see his point, but i gotta give it a maybe. I still think if the Russian wrestlers catch wind of the fact that they can make good money just taking down some tatted up cross-fitters for 15 minutes at a time, we could be in trouble.
6/15/11 12:59 AM
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I think Europe gonna dominate.
6/15/11 1:01 AM
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Mosubs 11'er has a degree in current UFC rules.I rest my case...

These UFC judges,and rules have to go,babe.
6/15/11 1:04 AM
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 "America has high level wrestling and Brazil does not.”

Oh, the wailing and hand wringing from the jingoistic American wrestling fans when the Eastern Europeans come in and bring the lay and pray to them. 
6/15/11 6:07 AM
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Lol at the US also being ahead with "everything else". Phone Post
6/15/11 8:16 AM
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Brazilians do not do what it takes to be the best. In general they have less discipline. If you tell them about diet most think you're crazy... like if they cant eat what they want then it's almost not even worth it to be an athlete.

They been getting by on their above average athletic abilities. The sport most played around the world is soccer and brazil as consistently at or near the top - when you compare this and look at the population pound for pound brazil is one of the most naturally athletic countries in the world.

Sooner or later though these guys are gonna have to make sacrifices. You cant eat rice and chicken all the time.

Not only brazilians, everybody. It's getting so competitive you have win at the margins. You have to eat clean and you have to fight at your optimum weight class.

If Shogun would eat clean he could fight at 185. Same for Maldonado. Damian Maia should be at 170. Akiyama should be at170. Nobody is willing to make the sacrifice.

6/15/11 8:25 AM
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MMALOGIC - Damian Maia should be at 170.

Umm no. He walks around well over 200 nowdays without being flappy. He didn't lose to Munoz because he was too small. He lost because he gassed (which was probably due to suffering from staph before the fight) and made some bad decision like trying to pull guard instead of striking.
6/15/11 8:41 AM
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its called wrestling, america has it brazil does not.
6/15/11 9:55 AM
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 For the people claiming the US isnt top in health care and education............

you do realize that when the gross majority of rich foreigners have a medical emergency or want to send their children to college, they opt for American surgeons/hospitals or universities, right?

People who literally could pick whatever they want?

If you want to criticize the institutions or system, thats fine. But LMAO at the idea that there are better hospitals or colleges than the elite American ones.


6/15/11 10:37 AM
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MMALOGIC - Damian Maia should be at 170.

Umm no. He walks around well over 200 nowdays without being flappy. He didn't lose to Munoz because he was too small. He lost because he gassed (which was probably due to suffering from staph before the fight) and made some bad decision like trying to pull guard instead of striking.


who gives a shit if he walks around at 200 or more... It's all about the frame and more so the diet. He carries a significant amount of unproductive weight.

If he changed nothing else except his diet he'd be walking around at less than 190 with the same strength and endurance if not more.

But people dont want to make the sacrifice. The process is simple - actually doing it is the hard part. You have to re-engineer your body to burn fat instead of sugar/carbs. It's simple to stop eating certain carbs and sugar but it's hard to do... it's like being a smoker and deciding you want to give up. You go through withdrawals and intense cravings but if you can do it your body becomes way more efficient.

But are people willing to stop eating bread or pasta and instead eat shit like spirulina? If you have ever tasted it it's like someone ate shit and then threw it up.

these are the sacrifices.

6/15/11 10:58 AM
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Helwig - surprisingly, many actually go to the private hospitals in Mexico, including. I believe, the wealthiest man in the world. They get the same amenities and quality of surgeon in the states for about 70% less the cost. The doctors study in the states and europe and The hospitals don't have to jack their prices to cover insurance. Phone Post
6/15/11 11:09 AM
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Here in the US we have a fairly strong youth-based wrestling core. Many other countries do too, but it's probably worth mentioning that one reason we likely aren't as dominant (in wrestling) as we could be because our kids are learning everything based upon folkstyle rules and later have to transition to freestyle or greco. In many other places they start with those core styles from day 1.

We also have a (fairly) strong boxing history and there's a martial arts gym of some kind on every corner.

Now that BJJ has become more common here - I think you'll see the US hit a stride in the next few years that puts us on top for a while.

Other regions will definitely catch up - but they're going to have to catch up to where we were a few years ago before thinking about passing us. We're in a good position right now.

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