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6/24/11 1:24 PM
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Andre Pederneiras,head-coach of Nova Uniao, and coach to Diego Nunes said his student’s loss to Kenny Florian in UFC 131, to the blood loss during the fight.

“Diego started OK, he won the first round and got a knockdown" said Pederneiras.:"After that, I guess the cuts on head and the great blood loss were undermining his resistance, because he was doing great on the training and he was ready to fight three rounds."

“Those elbows, the way I see it, for where they hit him, should be reanalyzed... I’m not taking Kenny Florian’s credits for the win, not at all, but I took some pictures of Diego’s head, and I want to send it to UFC, asking them if those spots are legal. I don’t want them to change the result of the fight, because Florian was better and earned it, but I want to know if it’s legal so that I can tell my students to do it. Sometimes the rules change and we lose a fight for a silly detail."

The head-coach of Nova Uniao affirmed he has no news about a possible bout between Jose Aldo and Kenny Florian for the featherweight title. “We don’t know anything about the date of the bout and not even if it’ll actually happen. For now, it’s just speculation."

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6/24/11 1:32 PM
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God damnit...

6/24/11 1:32 PM
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Florian goes for the back of the head.

Ask Joe L.

6/24/11 1:33 PM
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6/24/11 1:36 PM
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Nunes was dominating that fight until the massive cut on the back of his head. He looked absolutely out of it for the rest of the fight, and to be honest I was hoping the doctor would be called in to take a look, because he did not look right at all.
6/24/11 1:36 PM
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he could send it in but kenny didn't finish nunes with those shots so there not gonna change anything. people throw elbows from the bottom alot but nunes put his head down and got caught with a elbow to the back of the head like many people do on accident and it cut him. that's all. Phone Post
6/24/11 1:37 PM
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ajsr - Nunes was dominating that fight until the massive cut on the back of his head. He looked absolutely out of it for the rest of the fight, and to be honest I was hoping the doctor would be called in to take a look, because he did not look right at all.


Agreed.

For some reason almost every time a fighter throws punches to the back of the head they get called on it, but I can't remember Florian ever getting in trouble for his elbows. Nunes looked OUT of it, a lot of blood loss and solid blows to the back of the head.
6/24/11 1:38 PM
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^^^ Damn, is that a potato growing out of his head?
6/24/11 1:38 PM
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discodrew - he could send it in but kenny didn't finish nunes with those shots so there not gonna change anything. people throw elbows from the bottom alot but nunes put his head down and got caught with a elbow to the back of the head like many people do on accident and it cut him. that's all. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


It was a lot more than 1.

Also, if you can read he said he doesn't want them to change it.
6/24/11 1:39 PM
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Summary: Coach wants to know if those elbows were/are legal so he can tell his students to do the same in a fight. Phone Post
6/24/11 1:42 PM
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discodrew - he could send it in but kenny didn't finish nunes with those shots so there not gonna change anything. people throw elbows from the bottom alot but nunes put his head down and got caught with a elbow to the back of the head like many people do on accident and it cut him. that's all. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


It was a lot more than 1.

Also, if you can read he said he doesn't want them to change it.
yea I know it was more then 1 and I was just stating a fact. Phone Post
6/24/11 1:44 PM
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Maybe fighters should stop laying with their heads down against Kenny?

I would if i fought him, if the elbows were legal or not.
Do your homework if you are going to fight him.
6/24/11 1:45 PM
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KC007 -  Summary: Coach wants to know if those elbows were/are legal so he can tell his students to do the same in a fight. Phone Post
Summary: Coach wants to diminish his fighter's loss by casting doubt on the legality of opponent's strikes.

It 's not like Kenny was targeting the back of the head. Coach can tell his fighters to elbow opponents' head from guard, and if the opponent ducks his head and gets cut on the back, let the ref worry about it. No big secret game-changing technique.
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discodrew - he could send it in but kenny didn't finish nunes with those shots so there not gonna change anything. people throw elbows from the bottom alot but nunes put his head down and got caught with a elbow to the back of the head like many people do on accident and it cut him. that's all. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


It was a lot more than 1.

Also, if you can read he said he doesn't want them to change it.
yea I know it was more then 1 and I was just stating a fact. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


"got caught with a elbow to the back of the head like many people do on accident and it cut him. that's all."

Opinion.
6/24/11 1:46 PM
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KC007 -  Summary: Coach wants to know if those elbows were/are legal so he can tell his students to do the same in a fight. <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;" src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" />
Summary: Coach wants to diminish his fighter's loss by casting doubt on the legality of opponent's strikes.

It 's not like Kenny was targeting the back of the head. Coach can tell his fighters to elbow opponents' head from guard, and if the opponent ducks his head and gets cut on the back, let the ref worry about it. No big secret game-changing technique.


1. How do you know?
Kenny either never targets the back of the head, or a slough of fighters just get unlucky when they fight him, but none of them have had the problem before. Common sense says, Kenny goes for those elbows.


6/24/11 1:49 PM
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Kenny probably has the most dangerous elbows in MMA in my opinion. He is always tearin up his opponents with them. If he is hitting in the back of the head, he needs to watch out for it. I can hear everyone now calling him a dirty fighter. I highly doubt that they are intentional. I hope Kenny and Aldo gets booked soon. Would be an awesome fuckin fight. Phone Post
6/24/11 2:01 PM
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Not the first time this has been an issue.
6/24/11 2:04 PM
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 Perfect time to say 'elbows too pointy'?
6/24/11 2:06 PM
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When I read the title for this thread on the news site I literally thought the coach wanted to physically examine kenny's arms lol like he had some sort of sharp elbow implant

its been a long week....
6/24/11 2:08 PM
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Those cuts are right at the edge (2" to either side off the spine) but the location is probably as much from Nunes turning his head as to where Florian was aiming. Also if blood loss was an issue, then it wouldnt really matter where he got hit would it (scalp cuts bleed anywhere you get one).
6/24/11 2:10 PM
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discodrew - he could send it in but kenny didn't finish nunes with those shots so there not gonna change anything. people throw elbows from the bottom alot but nunes put his head down and got caught with a elbow to the back of the head like many people do on accident and it cut him. that's all. Phone Post


This would be a great argumnent if it was only one elbow, but when Florian throw's 2,3,4 more to the same spot after the opponent has stopped changing head position it should be a foul (point deduction). He does it in almost every one of his fights. The Nunes fight and Lauzon especially are great examples.
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stlnl2 - Those cuts are right at the edge (2" to either side off the spine) but the location is probably as much from Nunes turning his head as to where Florian was aiming. Also if blood loss was an issue, then it wouldnt really matter where he got hit would it (scalp cuts bleed anywhere you get one).




I think the back of the head rule was changed to anything behind the ears, until the top of the ear, then after the top of the ear it's the mohawk rule again until the top oof the head. Either way, 2" to either side of the spine covers roughly 5" accross the back of the head (close to ear to ear anyways for most LW-FW fighters)
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blueheron20816 - When I read the title for this thread on the news site I literally thought the coach wanted to physically examine kenny's arms lol like he had some sort of sharp elbow implant

its been a long week....

 Me too. 
6/24/11 2:28 PM
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 Same here.....don't feel bad.

Also, I truly believe that Kenny's elbows are bullshit cheap ass strikes!!!
Trying to get a win from purposely trying to cut a guy is shitty.
6/24/11 2:31 PM
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mmajunkie did a write up on the back of the head clarification a while back, this is a helpful pic from them

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