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6/26/13 9:01 AM
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Bobby talk about the Maia X Kos fight. How do you see it?
6/26/13 9:18 AM
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Honestly, I see Shogun as a stronger play (not that Machida is not a very good play).

Shogun should sweep IMO if taken down (possible transitions to leg locks also), I just see him stopping the fight via sub or GNP. I see this as a major league player VS a minor league one in all seriousness. Shogun to send Sonnen back to MW still without a win @ LHW.

Read it will open @ -180 BTW

^ FYI folks this is from the guy who was questioning if there is value on KZ in the Aldo fight

 

Shogun's cardio is a liability in any fight, especially a 5 rounder and Chael is relentless. Unless Shogun opens at some ridiculous odds, Machida is WAY better value. 



LMFAO

I said in a thread I made (because I'm a fan of TKZ & Hendricks) about the UG's thoughts on their chances, "Honestly I thought it would be higher, Aldo is damn good." (about the odds!) Where did I ask if there was value?
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=2191359&page=2

Here are my comments on the worries on shogun cardio from another thread:

"If he does get the TD's (to LNP) for short periods of time he will also be expending energy keeping Shogun down and then lots more energy after being swept and needing to TD & hold down Shogun yet again time after time. So I do not see Shogun being more gassed then Sonnen. Further, as Epic pointed out just above this, "The guy with the finishing ability and more ways to win, and the durability and heart to go with it, is always going to have the advantage in a 5 round fight". This is a correct analysis by him also IMO."
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=2191827&page=2

Davis has but 1 loss, maybe he still has an upside in his career? Sonnen is more of a fixed upside IMO. I like the play on both a lot. I think Shogun may be stronger.
6/26/13 11:19 AM
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I'll make it short...

There is no value on KZ...even if he'd be +1 Million.

The question here is which prop to take...dec or ITD Aldo.

Chan Sung Jung +425
Jose Aldo -675
Over 3½ rounds +155
Under 3½ rounds -195

Whooop diddli doooo! Is KZ able to get past the over? Brain and heart say no. FUCK! Waiting for other props!

Sonnen/Shogun

I love Rua I really do...but he has become part of Ultimate Fight Team Shot. Sonnen really wasnt in any wars to be in that team so I believe he can uphold pressure, corner rua and eventually TKO a gassed rua.

Rua isnt dangerous on the ground anymore. The perfect style to outpoint Rua is Sonnen. Unfortunately we have seen more of Sonnen outside that cage than fuckin' in it! Is the Bisping perfomance redoable?
6/26/13 12:06 PM
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Bobby talk about the Maia X Kos fight. How do you see it?

I see Maia subbing Kos in the 2nd

6/26/13 12:24 PM
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Bobby talk about the Maia X Kos fight. How do you see it?

I see Maia subbing Kos in the 2nd

All Maia. Kos is done. Maia gets it to the ground and wins there. Kos will whiff with haymakers Phone Post 3.0
6/26/13 1:16 PM
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Honestly, I see Shogun as a stronger play (not that Machida is not a very good play).

Shogun should sweep IMO if taken down (possible transitions to leg locks also), I just see him stopping the fight via sub or GNP. I see this as a major league player VS a minor league one in all seriousness. Shogun to send Sonnen back to MW still without a win @ LHW.

Read it will open @ -180 BTW

^ FYI folks this is from the guy who was questioning if there is value on KZ in the Aldo fight

 

Shogun's cardio is a liability in any fight, especially a 5 rounder and Chael is relentless. Unless Shogun opens at some ridiculous odds, Machida is WAY better value. 



LMFAO

I said in a thread I made (because I'm a fan of TKZ & Hendricks) about the UG's thoughts on their chances, "Honestly I thought it would be higher, Aldo is damn good." (about the odds!) Where did I ask if there was value?
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=2191359&page=2

Here are my comments on the worries on shogun cardio from another thread:

"If he does get the TD's (to LNP) for short periods of time he will also be expending energy keeping Shogun down and then lots more energy after being swept and needing to TD & hold down Shogun yet again time after time. So I do not see Shogun being more gassed then Sonnen. Further, as Epic pointed out just above this, "The guy with the finishing ability and more ways to win, and the durability and heart to go with it, is always going to have the advantage in a 5 round fight". This is a correct analysis by him also IMO."
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=2191827&page=2

Davis has but 1 loss, maybe he still has an upside in his career? Sonnen is more of a fixed upside IMO. I like the play on both a lot. I think Shogun may be stronger.

i have to respectfully disagree with your assessment here.

i think its universally accepted that Chael has the better cardio/gas tank compared to Shogun. If Chael does get the TD, I think Shogun will be expending as much, if not more energy being on the bottom of that elite level blanket. There is no guarantee that Shogun will be able to sweep Chael at will. Having someone with dominating top position smother you and pepper you with rabbit shots can be exhausting.

If Chael is able to hit his TD's and get this fight to the ground, he is going to grind out the decision. The only chance Shogun has of out-gastanking Chael is if Chael repeatedly attempts TD's and Shogun is able to defend against them and shuck him off over and over again.


As far as betting for UFC 162 goes, I have to continue to ride the gravy train until the wheels fall off. Bought Silva @ -270 for $270, and bought another $250 @ -250. If the line drops any further, i'll probably buy more.

Havent booked yet, but I will probably buy some Kennedy at or around -150. Maybe a small play on Siver too. Cub has looked lights out as of late, but I think +190 on a solid striker in Siver is decent value. He may be able to eek out a decision here.
6/26/13 1:47 PM
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Bobby talk about the Maia X Kos fight. How do you see it?

I see Maia subbing Kos in the 2nd

All Maia. Kos is done. Maia gets it to the ground and wins there. Kos will whiff with haymakers Phone Post 3.0


Agree
6/26/13 2:01 PM
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We'll see mojodmonky.

I understand your thoughts, we disagree on the fight. In all honesty to me Shogun is a major league player and Sonnen is in the minors. Sonnen has been subbed a bunch of times.

This fight is not going the distance Shogun will stop Sonnen via sub or KHTFO.

Shogun to send Sonnen back down to MW, let him fight Boetsch who was also cast out.
6/27/13 7:12 PM
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Sonnen losses
8 SUBMISSIONS (62%)
4 KO/TKO (31)%

Yea Shogun usually K Guy's TFO but he's more than capable. He may way just GNP his ass out too as stated.
6/27/13 11:43 PM
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Sonnen is a big game choker. He will find a way to lose Phone Post 3.0
6/28/13 11:35 PM
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We'll see mojodmonky.

I understand your thoughts, we disagree on the fight. In all honesty to me Shogun is a major league player and Sonnen is in the minors. Sonnen has been subbed a bunch of times.

This fight is not going the distance Shogun will stop Sonnen via sub or KHTFO.

Shogun to send Sonnen back down to MW, let him fight Boetsch who was also cast out.
The major flaw I see in your assessment is shogun sweeping sonnen. Cannot see shoguns predictable half guard stuff working against a guy with the base of chael. and shogun has never been known for triangles, chaels historical weakness.

His best bet is to clip sonnen coming in. Even then chael has a solid chin. Might bet small on the American gangster Phone Post
6/29/13 3:47 PM
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Bobby Lupo - Sonnen is a big game choker. He will find a way to lose Phone Post 3.0

Anderson and Bones are big game.  I don't know if Rua is still considered big game.

IMO Shogun will be trying out his new Freddie Roach boxing, and styles making fights, Chael will take him down and lay on him for 3 little rounds.

Chael by superior intelligence.



Look @ Sonnen's resume, Shogun would be his biggest win ever by far.

Back down to the minors where he belongs.

Dreams here swept away.
6/30/13 3:18 PM
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I got frozen twice in 2 days. Bunch of Fanooks with their little vote downs. Kirik has been cool, but the people who post here aren't.

If it happens again, find me at

https://twitter.com/BobbyLoopz

we'll continue there
6/30/13 3:21 PM
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Frozen over what Bobby?
6/30/13 3:31 PM
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Frozen over what Bobby?

vote downs I guess. I made a thread about dogs not belonging in a house and the OG got cunthurt
7/1/13 5:51 AM
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Dogs have become a dangerous topic around the inet.

I guess some just have lost hope in humans so the dog has come in their place.

Well Sonnen the favorite here:

www.sportsinteraction.com has beat the competition in this one and opened the line first

Chael Sonnen -139
Mauricio Rua +100


Such value on Rua. Great value...not sure about the book though.
7/1/13 6:44 AM
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Bix, interesting, but I don't know that site. Chael chokes or gets choked in this one.

My guy said that a lot of people are betting KZ at +450. His take "Great fight, bad bet." He's 95% Maia and thinks Roger-Kennedy is a 50/50 fight.
7/1/13 9:50 AM
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Bixby - Dogs have become a dangerous topic around the inet.

I guess some just have lost hope in humans so the dog has come in their place.

Well Sonnen the favorite here:

www.sportsinteraction.com has beat the competition in this one and opened the line first

Chael Sonnen -139
Mauricio Rua +100


Such value on Rua. Great value...not sure about the book though.


From a post i just made

"This was projected to open with Shogun -185! http://www.mmaoddsbreaker.com/news/mma-odds-and-ends-for-monday-sonnen-vs-rua-machida-vs-davis-targeted/

WTF knows about this site

www.sportsinteraction.com?????????????"

WELL WTF KNOWS THIS SITE????
7/1/13 10:28 AM
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I dont know pal!

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SportsInteraction offers players the ability to make live, in-game wagers on hundreds of events per week. Among the unique features SIA offers to players are community features, such as bet trends and online chat with fellow account holders. Players have commented positively on SIA's usability and website performance. Players are able to play BlackJack without leaving the sportsbook, and can navigate seamlessly through the sports, casino, and poker interfaces. SportsInteraction is dedicated to growing its brand, and its VIP-like treatment of players and emphasis on customer service figure to keep SIA at the top of both recreational and seasoned players short-list for years to come.

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Source: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sportsbooks/sportsinteraction/

SEEMS legit!

Restricted only for customers out of the US and France.

Let me tell ya something...I would take my chance here and pound the living life out of that Shogun line.
7/1/13 11:36 AM
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BEWARE!
From a thread I just made " WTF KNOWS sportsinteraction.com ?"
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/ns/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=2194352&page=1#post-45400457

EckY - They are fuckng scumbags, blocked my account despite having money in it that I had won, just because I accessed their site whilst on vacation in the US, despite my registered address being in the UK as well as the bank account I had attached to it.

7/1/13 12:28 PM
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AS back down to only -220! Hammered down hard again after it looked like it was moving the way you'd figure last week with AS becoming more of a favorite. Red flag!
7/1/13 12:50 PM
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Two more lines JUST opened. They have each fighter @ -114 & -120 respectively. Just got my first bet in.
7/1/13 8:41 PM
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Paddypower has Frankie Edgar by KO or Decision @ 1.40, bet the house

7/2/13 7:41 AM
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Shogun up to -150. Still laying @ even money on that other site though
7/2/13 8:19 AM
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BEWARE!
From a thread I just made " WTF KNOWS sportsinteraction.com ?"
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/ns/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=2194352&page=1#post-45400457

EckY - They are fuckng scumbags, blocked my account despite having money in it that I had won, just because I accessed their site whilst on vacation in the US, despite my registered address being in the UK as well as the bank account I had attached to it.


Thanks for the heads up

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