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7/21/11 11:29 AM
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Alistair Overeem is the only fighter to hold simultaneous world titles in both kickboxing (current K-1 World Grand Prix) and MMA (Strikeforce and DREAM heavyweight champion). For the past few weeks, he has been talking about testing is skills in boxing, and in an interview on The Fight Show with Mauro Ranallo, went so far as to say boxing is the number one combat sport.

"If I fight Klitschko now, I mean this guy, he is not for nothing the champion of how many leagues, like five? The thing is, it's an interesting thought, it's an interesting idea.

"Let's cut to the chase, there's a lot of money to be made in boxing. It is the most popular combat sport out there. I mean, MMA is doing really well and it might overtake boxing but boxing is still the number one.

"If you look at the revenues made by boxing it is a big difference, a big difference."

Before anyone trots out statistics on PPV buys, number of fights, etc, understand that Overeem is not talking from the point of view of a fan, or a statistician, he is speaking from the point of view of a professional fighter. And from a very rare point of view, the view from the wallet of the best fighter in MMA vs. the best fighter in boxing, boxing is better.

For example, Floyd Mayweather Jr. made an SI estimated $60,000,000 million in 2010, a multiple of what was earned by Anderson Silva and GSP combined. While the best heavyweight in boxing is not making FMJ cash, no one is offering the Overeem brothers 100 million bucks to fight each other like Don King did for the Klitchkos in 2008.

Lastly of course,  is the small matter of whether Overeem could perform at a world-class level in boxing, a prospect that seems enormously unlikely.

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7/21/11 11:37 AM
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Vitali has a very good kickboxer (not MT). It would never happen but a 'kickboxing rules' match would be fun.
7/21/11 11:37 AM
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 What has he done to earn a title shot in boxing?
7/21/11 11:38 AM
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hope he is just trying to squeeze ufc because he has some really poor boxing. he would get raped. stick to mma reem, you are still unproven against the best of the best. hope the hype hasnt gone to his head.
7/21/11 11:40 AM
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32m - Overeem is right. I also think that if the price is right, why not fight Klitch? So let's say he and Klitch fights and he gets a guaranteed....let's say even $1 Mill - $3 Mil. That's more than he would get in MMA AND he still holds his SF belt. Let's say he pulls and upset...WOW!


It's worth a try I say. I think Klitch will destroy him though.



Exactly. He has virtually nothing to lose and the world to gain.
Promoters will be able to hype the shit out of this fight and Overeem may even land some punches or hurt him.
That alone would be commendable.
I support the Reem.
7/21/11 11:49 AM
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32m - Overeem is right. I also think that if the price is right, why not fight Klitch? So let's say he and Klitch fights and he gets a guaranteed....let's say even $1 Mill - $3 Mil. That's more than he would get in MMA AND he still holds his SF belt. Let's say he pulls and upset...WOW!


It's worth a try I say. I think Klitch will destroy him though.



Exactly. He has virtually nothing to lose and the world to gain.
Promoters will be able to hype the shit out of this fight and Overeem may even land some punches or hurt him.
That alone would be commendable.
I support the Reem.



Nobody in the boxing world has any idea who he is. He's not that popular in the MMA world. He'd get murdered by Klistcho. Contrary to whatever you guys think, a ppv card with Klitscho and Overeem would not sell well. It would have a max of 300K buys.
7/21/11 12:04 PM
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Boxing is number one in terms of money to be made, which is what I think he was referring to. But when it comes to popularity, its losing its luster fast, with MMA replacing it, esp in the US. Thats for another subject, but I believe hes referring to the revenue made in both sports.
7/21/11 12:05 PM
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lol at anyone thinking he would actually get a Klit fight.
7/21/11 12:07 PM
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Theonlyvivid - Boxing is number one in terms of money to be made, which is what I think he was referring to. But when it comes to popularity, its losing its luster fast, with MMA replacing it, esp in the US. Thats for another subject, but I believe hes referring to the revenue made in both sports.



You have to be one a few at the top of the sport to make that crazy money, same with MMA.

Overeem isnt going to step into boxing and make Mayweather money.
7/21/11 12:07 PM
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kent paul - This fight would never happen because no boxing board would sanction a fight against a guy with no record like Overeem

Like no commission would allow an overweight, broken-down boxer with zero grappling experience to face a five-time UFC champion in his first fight?
7/21/11 12:10 PM
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With enough $$$ anything can get sanctioned. But it shouldn't be and Overeem is a fool for thinking he can win. Technically Overeem isn't a very good kickboxer. I think if he fought a prime Cro cop Or Hoost he'd lose.
7/21/11 12:13 PM
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All this boxing talk is most likely Overeem trying to gain some leverage in negotiation talks when he comes to renew his contract, which is soon to expire AFAIK.
7/21/11 12:17 PM
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This has NOTHING to do with contracts, people. The man wants to be the top combat sports athlete ever. He wants to sweep the entire field by defeating the Boxing champ too. He wants this to be his legacy.
7/21/11 12:30 PM
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Alistair might really have a bigger chance than most of you think bcz think about it

1)klitschko won't have the height advantage that he always has.

2)Klitschko always fights fat out of shape guys which are most boxing HWs

3) klitschko ALWAYS has problems with guys that rush him he always gets hit A LOT which is why he uses his incredible height and reach advantage to stay out of opponents reach.

4) alistairs specialty is to rush somebody into a corner and just throw big bombs which we all kno klitschko got no chin let alone getting hit by alistair will destroy most ppl. We saw how haye in the his fight with wladimir how whenever he would brawl he would hit klitschko.

So I tend to see where alistair is coming from with this idea. Phone Post
7/21/11 12:34 PM
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to comment on this Overeem thing, I think he should stick to MMA. What happends if loses? The UFC probably will blackball him and all he will be able to come back to in MMA is Dream.
7/21/11 12:34 PM
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 " alistairs specialty is to rush somebody into a corner and just throw big bombs"

This remarkable strategy would take the boxing world by storm.
 
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Pretty much o% chance of this happening. No boxing fans no who he his and he would get raped. Phone Post
7/21/11 12:45 PM
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overeem has no head movement. and uses almost no footwork. he relies on power. Boxing is all about footwork and hea dmovemnt....so yea..he would get hurt bad.
7/21/11 12:46 PM
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I disagree with nothing to lose. Either Klitschko destroying him in boxing would hurt his mystique/marketability in MMA.


Plus being brutally knocked out can ruin future punch resistance.
7/21/11 1:00 PM
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antoniomontana - I disagree with nothing to lose. Either Klitschko destroying him in boxing would hurt his mystique/marketability in MMA.


Plus being brutally knocked out can ruin future punch resistance.


I agree, day dreaming aside because this is never going to happen. Overeem would be taking a huge risk for a single large pay check. His boxing skills aren't there, he's pretty much garaunteed to get clobbered, and then he's severly damaged goods to MMA and specifically the UFC. UFC would never want him to become champ, or even do well in the UFC because it would be sending the message that boxing is superior to MMA.

If this was to happen, Overeems check better be huge, because it would be almost certain that he'd be pissing away any chance he had to make top dollar in MMA.
7/21/11 1:08 PM
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I agree with Alistair that boxing is bigger than MMA.  I also agree that K2 promotions could take this fight - now that the heavyweight boxing landscape has been ravaged and depopulated. 

Dana White had minimal success with the "MMA vs. Boxing" angle, but I could see real pros like K2 selling this thing.  Heck, they drew European eyes to Vitali's execution of something called an "Albert Sosnowski."  Vitali could add to his legacy: "the man who killed MMA." 

Worth consideration.


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He should definitely give it a try if there is money on the table. Boxing is a real sport. There is no single group of guys in charge of it all, you can travel all around the world through multiple orgs earning good money in boxing. And doing it your way, without having to kiss any asses.

While MMA is just a tv show run by Vegas casino types and weapons/oil industry guys from Flash entertainment. They could never allow it to become a real sport, because if they did, they would very quickly lose control of it. So they must hold it down. MMA is basically WWE 2.0 without all the overhead and fancy visuals. The owners make billions of dollars a year. While the top handful of fighters make a couple million and the rest of the fighters make thousands of dollars which is barely enough to live on. Or they don't make enough to live on and survive at a poverty level.

Plus, you can spend 20 years training to be the best MMA fighter out there. You could in fact become the best MMA fighter on the planet. And when you finally get to the UFC, somebody like Dana White or Fertitta. Can just decide that they don't like your face. And kablam, your a fucking bouncer at the local titty bar. It's over. That 20 years of training was all for nothing. Find something else to do.

Kids today who are thinking of becoming a professional fighter. Should be training in Boxing or kick boxing. There really is no money in MMA unless you are in the top one one-hundredth of one percent. While in boxing the top 40% or so earn a decent living and don't have to hold a side job as a bouncer or teach kids in some mcdojo somewhere just so they can eat.

From a professional fighters point of view. It's Boxing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MMA.
7/21/11 1:12 PM
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While Overeem has solid boxing, Klitschko would mess him up at will.
7/21/11 1:15 PM
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Hes trying the same tactic that Nick Diaz pulled not 2 months ago. He wants a bargaining chip to get into the UFC, where he can make more money. I don't think he has the pull that Nick Diaz does though.
7/21/11 3:15 PM
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lol at anyone not thinking Overeem can beat Klich. That is a winnable fight forsure

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